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I've bid all I intend to bid on it...if it only had hammers.

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=82942629

Absolutely a beautiful action. Obviously a restock. Now I wonder what the barrels are like.

I'm pretty certain that's not Kell's work. Dealers use Kell's name on English gamescenes the way they use Del Greco (mispelled, I know) on Parkers.

Most likely, a guy by the last name of Brown did the work on it, or at least some of it. I bet one person did the game scenes and another did the scroll.

Brown also engraved the Thousand Dollar Grade Lefevers (or Lefever, I don't know how many $1000-grades were made).

Scott made a lot more than 50 Premiers, too. I think they offered them for over 60 years, so there must be hundreds of them out there. I've seen a lot of them.

Now this is a really rare Scott:

http://www.daverifflegunsales.com/images/guns/pig.html


OWD

Aren't the barrels a tad short at 28" on this one for a 1905 vintage Scott?
Jim

Scott made allot of 27.5 inch barrels...I had a 1902 Scott boxlock and still have a 1915 Scott Sidelock with 27.5 inch barrels.

OWD I think the engraving is finer on the gun on Gunbroker.

Joe I talked with him..he told me the barrels were in good condition ?

I don't know if it's a restock...he told me his partner inherited the gun from his grandfather and that his grappa had rasped away some wood in the cheek piece area. He also said his buddy inherited a Holland and Holland .410 that was not for sale.

The Gunbroker Premier is a low-grade restock. The stocks on Premiers had drop points on them. A lot of times, they looked more like spades than tear drops.

I think the technique used to decorate the Imperial is very different and more time consuming. I believe it's called chiselling, instead of engraving. I may be wrong, though.

I think the Imperial is nicer. That being said, I have seen nicer Imperials.

OWD

I hope when you say low-grade you are speaking of the stock. I don't see Premier grade Scotts as a dime a dOzen.

With a restocking by the right person it would no doubt be a beautiful gun...

Look at the bottom of the action on both guns and tell me what main difference you see ?

Yeah - the stock stinks. The gun is nice. Premier's aren't a dime a dozen - maybe more like 50 cents. I don't like the rounded-bar look, though. I don't know why Scott did that on their guns.

On the bottom of the Premier I see engraving, two different styles. The one for the game scenes looks like an early kind of Bulino. I'm away from my books right now, so I'm certain I have all my terms wrong.

On the Imperial, a lot more metal has been removed to create that pattern. I bet work on the Imperial takes a lot longer to do.

Perhaps our resident engraver could give his insights and opinions into the work? I would love to hear what he has to say.

On both guns, the scenes seem a bit awkward. I like to think of them as charmingly naive.

And to restock that gun right - forend and butt - is going to run $8-$10gs at least. If you could buy the gun for $3gs and the bbls are sound, it may be worth doing.

OWD

I see a hole in the bottom of Daves Riffles Imperial Premier action where the lug protrudes.