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There were notices in spring issues of Breeder & Sportsman regarding a Parker Bros. publication https://archive.org/details/breedersportsma651914sanf/page/n180/mode/1up?view=theater which then appeared in the October 3, 1914 issue https://archive.org/details/breedersportsma651914sanf/page/n225/mode/1up?view=theaterIt appears to be an abbreviated version of Parker Brothers' “The Small Bore Shotgun” which was published c. 1915 http://parkerguns.org/pages/PDF%20Documents/Small%20Bore%20Shotgun.pdf Edwin Hedderly had published his first of many articles promoting small bores (and Parkers) in Forest Stream, December 26, 1908 “Twenty Bores for Duck Shooting” https://books.google.com/books?id=ejQevDPMUIYC&pg=PA1018&vq Nov. 13, 1909, “Small-bore Guns” https://books.google.com/books?id=l0kcAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA790&lpg A few more Arms & The Man 1915, “Loading Small-Bores” https://books.google.com/books?id=BX07AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA158&lpgRecreation 1917, “Handloading for Small-Bore Guns” https://books.google.com/books?id=4uVQAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA97&lpgOutdoor Recreation 1919, “Loading Small-Bores” https://books.google.com/books?id=BX07AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA158&lpgField & Stream, Nov. 1921, “Sixteen” – Or “Twenty” Which https://books.google.com/books?id=UPtAAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA704&lpgand T.H. Grant, Forest & Stream, December 1915 https://books.google.com/books?id=lRMcAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA711&lpgForest & Stream, Nov. 1918 “Keener sport with the 20 gauge gun” https://books.google.com/books?id=b91JAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA663&lpgOuters’ Recreation, July 1921 “Seventy Years Experience With 20 Gauge Guns” https://books.google.com/books?id=hns7AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA76&lpg
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It goes waay further back than that.
Purple Heather,m writing in 1891 in “Something about Guns and Shooting” at page 13:-
“My first game gun was a double-barrelled muzzle-loader by old Sam Nock. This was a “joint-stock affair” for my brother was to be allowed the use of it too. The gauge was 16, barrels 30 inches in length, known as the best “stub-twist”, weight between 6 1/2 and 6 3/4 lb. Young as I was never felt any great inconvenience for carrying it of a day, as long as there was something to shoot at.”
At page 26, in the early 1860’s his brother having taken the Nock abroad he is given a genuine Joe Manton ( some 30 years after the death of that great Gunmaker).
“I had never, hitherto, seen a double gun of so small a bore, and so light a weight.
The gauge was 22, and the gun weighed 6 1/4lbs.”
Bought from Whistlers in the Stand, converted from flint to percussion, 32 inch barrels. Case with 3/4 or 7/8 oz. Shot flask and 2 1/4, 2 1/2 and 2 3/4 dram powder flak.
“After carrying out a series of trials I discovered that 2 1/4 dr. Was the best charge of powder, and there was not much to chose between 3/4 oz and the 7/8 oz of shot. As to the size of the shot No. 7 decidedly suited best. It shot fairly well with No. 6; indifferently with No. 5; extremely well with No. 4.”
“With No. 7 I often killed partridges at distances between forty and fifty yards, but very rarely over fifty”
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Parabola is right and the origin of the small bore certainly goes back to Joseph Manton. This article in the 15 Feb 1879 edition of "Illustrated Sporting and Dramatic News" mentions a Reilly 20 bore that that was one of "Wildfowler"'s favorites (referenced in the Reilly history)... but it makes clear that Manton was at the origin of the idea.
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Understood gentlemen, but I think we need to grant Parker Bros. some jounalistic license regarding their small bore marketing campaign. By 1914, with the cooperation of Bro. Hedderly (editor of Western Field starting in July 1910), Parker had been aggressively promoting small bores for waterfowl for > 5 years; and declared themselves "the pioneer makers in America" of the 20 bore in the May 1916 Forest & Streamhttps://books.google.com/books?id=VN1JAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA974&lpgThey were still offering the 20 bore booklet in 1921 July 1921 Outers' Recreationhttps://books.google.com/books?id=hns7AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA86&lpg
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And Parker Bros. made 5 SBT's in twenty bore.
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I have a matched pair of .410 muzzleloading shotguns that I assume were from the 1850s.
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I have a matched pair of .410 muzzleloading shotguns that I assume were from the 1850s.
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The DuPont Shooting School at Atlantic City limited guns to 20g, and Ithaca made at least 1 20g SBT for the school. From the May 1917 Outdoor Life
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By the 1880 Union Metallic Cartridge Co. catalog, they were offering paper cases in 8-, 10-, 12-, 14-, 16- & 20-gauge.
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