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Pipeliner, the A and B Grades could be specially ordered , depending on choices available. I have a late B Grade with a straight stock, 26" barrels, single trigger, and ejectors. Engraving is just a scroll layout. Drew, the earliest R Grades used a scroll engraving motif, somewhat like the S Grade, but more detail.
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R-Grade from 1905 Catalog -- R-Grade with the scroll -- R-Grade from 1909 Catalog -- S-Grade 1905 Catalog --
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The R grade engraving change appears to have been 1907 February 1906 "The Baker Gunner" February 1907 "The Baker Gunner"
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That is quite the slow load on that hang tag. Only 2 3/4 drams of E.C. pushing 1 1/4 ounce of shot.
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Dave, that gun is probably in the 1893-1894 vintage. Would that be an uncommon load for guns of that vintage ?
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A note found inside of the case of the cased A Grade above. It reads " Do not use high powered shells in this gun. The manufacturer says to use the old type powder. Dad"
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The Overland Monthly, Oct. 1895 “Smokeless Powder For Shotguns” http://books.google.com/books?id=Wv0MAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA442&lpg 3 1/4 Dram /40 grains DuPont Bulk Smokeless 1 1/8 oz. (1255 fps) = 7440 psi 3 1/4 Dram /44 grains “E.C.” Bulk Smokeless 1 1/8 oz. = 7584 psi Plus 10-14% for modern piezo transducer numbers The standard load on 12g L.C. Smith hang tags c. 1887 - about 1920 was 3 Dram 1 1/4 oz. shot (1165 fps) A c. 1891 12g Parker was patterned with 1 1/4 oz. and 42 grains (3 1/4 Dram) DuPont Bulk Live Bird loads were usually 1 1/4 oz. 3 1/2 Dr. Eq. "Old type powder probably refers to Bulk (DuPont, "E.C." or "Schultze") and not Dense Smokeless (Ballistite and "Infallible") which ran 1000 - 1500 psi higher
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Dave, that gun is probably in the 1893-1894 vintage. Would that be an uncommon load for guns of that vintage ? The March 1893 UMC "Loaded Shells" price list offers both their TRAP and SMOKELESS shells in 12-gauge with 1 1/4-ounce of shot propelled by 2 3/4, 3 or 3 1/4 drams of E.C.
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