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Regardless of the explanation given by the commercial shotshell companies, it amazes me that both .410 and 28 gauge commercial ammo costs are inversely proportional to the actual costs of components. It pays to reload them. Gil
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I have just been browsing through Richard Milner’s excellent article (HBSA Journal, Vol. 3, No. 2 December 2000) which contains a digest of Edwinson Green’s surviving records between 1881 (S/N 3199) and 1947 (S/N 7091).
Those records appear to have been the Order Book for the Cheltenham shop (he had a branch at Gloucester) and more often than not do not show the serial number but almost invariably show the calibre. Mostly 12 bores, some 16s, some 20s, a few 10, 8 and the occasional 4 bore.
The shop traded into the 1970’s run by Dudley Green, the grandson but 1947 seems to have effectively marked the end of Edwinson Green guns made by or for them in their own serial number range.
What struck me was that of their own build over almost 70 years and approaching 4,000 guns they seem to have produced precisely ONE .410 No. 6922, a double hammerless ejector in June 1914 for Tweedie.
I am sure that in the same period they must have sold a good few .410’s of other makes.
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I have a Jones for .410s and own several. A no-name Spaniard is the one I hunt with the most, PG and 28"barrels. The prettiest is an Aspen Outfitters AOC Uggie boxlock with beautiful wood, straight grip and 28" barrrels. The one I shoot best is a Browning Feather XS Sporting with 30" barrels. Also a couple of Win 42s and a Win 101, and a FAIR Rizzini Cortona, plus a Rem 1100. Love 'em all. It's obvious that I may have a problem, but I don't care. When I was actually shopping for .410s, the biggest issues were finding guns with long barrels, tight chokes, and adult dimensions. I "need" a .410 hammer double.
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I'm pretty sure the Cortona is the same gun as the Verona, minus side plates. I love my .410 Verona 30". Is your Corona 30"?
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Stan, I bought a bunch of Cortonas when they were being closed out, got a bunch of guys together for a quantity price. Everything was 28" barrels. from 12ga thru .410. I got the .410 and 28ga, case colored with laser engraved side plates, a 16ga with side plates and gold wire line engraving, and a 12ga Alumino for pheasants. My buddies got 12s, 20s, 28s and .410s. Great guns, nicely finished, same factory as the Verona but different trims and nicer wood than I have seen on Veronas. There were about six grades available, from their "Ugly Gun" (that is the actual model name for their camo dipped 12ga O/U waterfowl gun), thru the gold wireline stuff. Came with choice of blued, polished aluminum, French gray, or case color finish with various levels of engraving. Finish on the higher grades equal to my Beretta 687 and Sig B. Rizzini guns.
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I bought my FAIR Verona second hand. It was a target gun and had an ugly stock with an adjustable buttplate, and had too little DAH for me. I found a field style buttstock that had been pulled off of one because of a crack in the wrist and bought it for $50. I repaired the crack, fitted it to my Verona, and now it shoots where I look and is much prettier. This is the picture that Bazil Slaughter sent me from Reno. You can see the bad crack running through the side plate inlet and slightly into the wrist area. The crack is invisible now, on the gun. Not a bad looking stock for a Verona, eh? I believe it to be the equal of my Beretta 687 SPII Sporting in terms of fit, finish, and function. Whether it will last as long for as many rounds I can't say. But the FAIR guns are a heckuva lot of gun for the $$$, about that I am certain. My model is the LX692 Gold Sporting in 28/.410, with 30" barrels. I don't know if you remember but you helped me a lot when I was looking at this gun, before purchase, with info about Veronas. I appreciate your help 9 years later, Replacement, because it was a really good purchase that I am still happy about.
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You guys keep chatting up 410s and the price will go up.
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I was hot after a .410 hammer gun on Holts a few years ago. 32” barrels but with short chambers, 2” I think not 2 1/2” or 3”. Also the chokes were cylinder and half choke when I would much rather have full and full. Estimate was 700-900 pounds. I dropped out at 2,000 pounds and watched it sell for 2,500 pounds. After Holts premium that was 3,200 pounds. By the time I got it imported and the restock I’m sure it would need I figured it was a $6-7,000 money pit. Still if another one pops up I sure I’ll be bidding on it as well. I love those long barreled small bores.
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Stan, I'm happy to have helped fuel the addiction. Agree that they are great guns for the money. I suspect your buttstock came from a FAIR gun that was not labeled Verona. Very nice piece of wood.
As much as I like my Browning Feather XS with 30" barrels, I'd still rather have a FAIR gun with the scaled frame.
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