Thanks for the advice. I read of your and Ken Nelson's use of 4227 and did go to Hodgden's to see if it was listed and didn't find it on the website, but it was listed with the 150 and 169 grain cast bullets in my manual. I have made some jacketed bullet loads using Trail Boss (hard to find) but I have been trying to confirm some low-velocity loads for my jacket bullets. My online research has been ambiguous. I bought some H4895 for that purpose too. Thank you for the reply.