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Well Fox, the last time I bought a Fox small bore with plans to upgrade it I first found someone’s abandoned project gun. Stock devoid of finish and cut to 12 1/2”. All bluing removed from barrels maybe 6 years prior. It looked horrible. But ….it was a Philly SW 16 gauge with perfect bores, tons of wall thickness and a solid lock up. Mechanically it was sound. Everything that was wrong with it......stock and finishes, I would redo anyway in a rehab.....the things that count were just fine. It weighed 6 pounds with 28” #3 barrels choked mod and full. I paid $500 Cdn for it. That a little over $350 in USD.
I have lots of blanks. Right now I’ve sold enough blanks that the ones I have left are free. They are nicely figured English walnut with good grain structure and most of them would sell in the $700 to $900 usd retail range. A high quality restock and extensive chequering will set me back around $1700 usd. New CCH around $350 usd. Bluing around the same. So had I gone ahead with that one, the total I would have had in it would be $3000 usd when all was said and done.
The only reason I didn’t do that gun is someone offered me $2000 for the gun as it was. I figured for $2K I can go get another anytime. And I was in the middle of a rather extensive and expensive rehab of a Lindner-made Charles Daly. You may have seen the thread on that gun.
To your second question, having had both Philly and Utica SW, I likely won't buy another Utica gun.
Last edited by canvasback; 02/21/23 06:06 PM.
The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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Oh C'back! I would say re purposed. As recycled would imply a complete thrashing of an RBL followed by its rebirth as a Fox or Faux if you will! Still way ahead of a "Fox" model B. Needs to get real on the price though. It's just is not a 5K gun.
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Oh C'back! I would say re purposed. As recycled would imply a complete thrashing of an RBL followed by its rebirth as a Fox or Faux if you will! Still way ahead of a "Fox" model B. Needs to get real on the price though. It's just is not a 5K gun. You are right. Recycled was the wrong term. And it is the price that is the problem. At $3K or thereabouts, it;s perfectly fine. My biggest beef though is they called it a A grade. It's no A Grade Fox.
The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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No, certainly not an A grade. To their credit no attempt was made to provide a laser made rendition of the correct engraving. Oh, the horror! I do think they would have more acceptance if the Fox resemblance had been only implied. Reduce the price to something reasonable and it would have been an attractive gun on its own.
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About 18 years ago, in thinking MI might get a legal dove season, I bought a well used Utica Fox 20 gauge Sterlingworth- 28" DT EJ-from a area grouse and woodcock hunter who was "retiring". A good friend has a Phila Fox Sterlingworth 20-- no comparison as to fit up and finish. I gave it to my oldest grandson on his 16th. Birthday.. He has shot some barn pigeons with it, and a few rabbits-fits him well, but he also shoots the 1931 era M12 20 gauge my late Father gave me on my 12th birthday, same gun he was gifted new on his 16th-in 1931. Good guns never wear out if gived proper care. RWTF
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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