Strange that the proof House failed to respond. May be worth another try. Sadly, my contacts there are no longer with us. Luckily here in England Eley still make them although now in plastic cases and also Lyalvale Express although I tend not to use the latter as they have plastic wads. When I load them I tend to use the Vectan AS powder. Red Dot is o.k. but I have had the odd 'blooper' with it for some strange reason. Lagopus.....