I find people to be heavily opinionated on these subjects--- right, wrong, doesn't really matter to me, the stronger opinions sometimes seem silly in my opinion and I often apprecaite the chuckle. I remain impressed, but not enamoured with the 21. I want to love it, but it plays too new, too modern, for me. You can feel it. They feel very good in my opinion. So do many, many modern Over/ Unders. Yeah I said it. There are truckloads of great guns out there. I still can't understand the price hikes for "Grades" TRAP, ,SKEET, DUCK are all the same base model gun in my opinion. I have had 4 16ga 21s. All felt great and could have done anything I will ever need from a shotgun, but the first three didn't feel better than the stack of bills they were traded for. I bought a 4th (30 in, DT, Full and xfull chokes, extractors ) when I discovered 20 cases of 16 ga shotsells while cleaning out my barn. I am determined to shoot a case or two through it before I give in to the temptation of selling another 16 ga 21!