doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion German & Austrian Sporting Guns @ doublegunshop.com Hammer Drilling with Lefaucheux forend from 1937?

Thanks for the link to the interesting comparative engraving images. They strike me as expressive of an earlier classic style that this gun is to some extent modernising. I found this image of a Sauer & Sohn dated 1910 in Klups' book, which -notwithstanding the mechanical differences - has a similar air, at least to my eye.
[img]https://www.dropbox.com/s/fl90864xeplaqxw/Sauer-1910-Klups.jpg?dl=0[/img]

Can you elaborate here and inform us Colonials?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Indeed, very similar profile with a Roux Underlever.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

In the UK, each rifle (section 1 firearm) you own has to be independently authorized for purchase in advance by the licensing authority (police) based on a specific "good reason".
Except, some cartridges are classed as obsolete on account of the unavailability of ammunition for them, and guns so chambered can be acquired freeley as curiosities (wall-hangers) provided no steps are taken to obtain ammunition or to shoot them.
There is a list of obsolete cartridges. Nothing on it is not obsolete, but some obsolete things are not on it. If there is a rationale for this, I have yet to see it.
In most cases (i.e., unless its smoothbore barrels were also chambered for something obsolete, such as pinfire cartridges), this exemption would not apply to a Drilling.
However, a drilling with an obsolete chambering in the rifle barrel might be sold, on account of the consequent inconsequence of that chambering, not as a rifle (section 1) but as a shotgun (section 2). This difference matters because a person with a UK shotgun certificate can buy as many shotguns as they can securely store without requiring a unique authorization for each one.
Thus, had 6.5x58R been on the obsolete cartridges list, I could have bought the drilling to use simply as a shotgun (section 2) without requiring any prior authorization. Thereafter, if it seemed worth sourcing ammunition and using the rifled barrel, I could apply for a section 1 authorization for it.

I've not made any progress in the matter of dates, but have found images of guns with some similar features, albeit not an exact or complete set in either case.
[img]https://www.dropbox.com/s/g4p77km6iik2g9u/Adolf-Frank-hammer-drilling-RH.jpg?dl=0[/img]
A drilling by Adolf Frank based on an 1894 patent chambered for 16 Ga/8mm JR (Guns International). This has similar action profiling and decoration to the gun under discussion here. Unfortunately the seller's description doesn't show the proof marks or give a date.
[img]https://www.dropbox.com/s/3nibjllr61j686u/Stiegele-combi-Lefaucheux.jpg?dl=0[/img]
A combination gun by Carl Stiegele chambered in 16 Ga/9.9x47R; "Manufactured circa 1894" (Simpson Ltd). An earlier and more flamboyant gun than the one under discussion here, but the only other I have yet seen with this type of Lefaucheux action.

Many thanks for the information. I guess us Colonials take it for granted all the freedoms we currently have regarding firearms. But the 6.5x58.5R S&S should be easily formed from 360 BPE brass. If not, a stop by Ford's shop will put one on the straight & narrow.


I can't get Imgbox to function this am so I will post images of the Lovely Stiegele in 9,9X47R as well as another or two when the platform stabilizes. I do wonder how Simpson knows that the Stiegele was made in 1894?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Stiegele with just Lovely adornment....







I think the Lefaucheux platform is more of a request from the purchaser / custodian rather than that of the maker?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Ed. Girku of Kaufbeuren Bavaria with a 10 mm tube... and a Bavarian Stock, of course.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Note that the Jones underlever functions the same as this, only the shape of the lever is different, lending credence to the idea that it was a matter of taste. The "slide and tip" type such as Collath used is different.
Mike

Too I think it was the Husky Modell 20 or similar that continued to be a favourite well into the 20th Century.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse