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That is a definite concern for hunters these days Lloyd, as you know from your ordeal. I was cutting up a storm felled tree about a week ago and felt a tick crawling up my arm. I put the little bastard on the hood of my Massey Ferguson tractor, and gave it a quick spray burst of the .5% Martins Permethrin solution I use to treat my hunting, hiking, and outdoor work clothing and boots. I assumed that would send it to critter Hell in mere moments. It crawled around for a full 3 minutes before it finally pulled its' legs in and expired. Now I am wondering if a .5% permethrin solution is strong enough for tick prevention.

A couple years ago, I was deer hunting in early December, and dressed a bit too warmly. I began perspiring while hiking to my afternoon stand, and decided I needed to remove a layer before making any more excess human scent. I removed a Thermax long-john top and put it in a plastic bag, and then sat there bare chested for a while to cool off before putting my hunting coat, shirt, hat, etc. back on. While sitting on a log working on my sun tan in December, I felt a little tickle, and noticed two ticks crawling in my chest hair. The temperature was only a couple degrees above freezing. This freaked me out a bit because during most of my hunting career, I never picked up any ticks, until I pulled one out of the back of my neck around 12 years ago.

I've read that ticks latch on to people with type A blood more than any other blood type. I am not type A.

Recently I went to a retirement party for an old co-worker. Another guy there told me his knee was shot, but that his surgeon refused to do knee replacement surgery until he was cleared of the Lyme Disease he thinks he acquired turkey hunting last Fall. I know quite a few people who have been treated for it, and also know many more who continue to play in the woods and fields without any concerns.

I understand that Phase 3 Clinical Trials are now underway for a Lyme Disease vaccine. Sure hope this turns out better than the Covid19 vaccines.

I've read that because we had a mild winter the ticks were not killed off. I've also read that 8 drops of pure peppermint oil and 8 ozs. of water in a spray bottle keeps ticks and other insects away, bad thing is dogs don't like it and will shy away from you. I know this as a fact because my daughter and granddaughters sprayed themselves and their dog would not come near them, but my grandson didn't spray himself and the dog went to him. My daughter looked it up because she was worried why the dog would not come near her.

Keith: "A" positive here, as is my wife. My ordeal was a 15-year tour through the tender mercies (not!) of our much-vaunted medical system, and well-before anybody had ever even heard of Lyme's Disease out here in Colorado. It effectively ended my career, almost destroyed my marriage, and nearly ended me. Sitting here, blessedly on the backside of all that, I'm still trying to process it all. It is not something I would wish on anyone (well, maybe a few politicians?), because you never know what is slowly killing you. Even the tests for it remain imprecise (they still commonly treat for it just because of the symptoms and the suspicion that you have it) and I'm even hearing of new variations of the diseases being transmitted by tick-bites. Some now ruin your ability to eat any red meat and others just kill you quickly (& look-up Lyme's psychosis sometime).

I spray permethrin on all my hunting cloths (socks, boots, hats, etc.) because that really seems to help and... I'm ever-vigilant about checking for the little bastards (as I'm not interested in going down that road again). If you do get bitten, one dose of doxycycline effectively kills the Bergdorfi bacterium (and the other components in the sewer of infections a tick bite transmits to you) but you have to kill it quickly. Left untreated, it becomes very difficult to get rid of it. In my case, it was 41-months of millitary grade anti-malarials combined with a brutal spectrum of antibiotics (& the antibiotics have left me intolerant of gluten). My physician told me that I was one of only about 20% of his patents that ever get fully-clear of the disease, for the rest they just manage the symptoms until end-of-life.

makes one wonder whose side the gods are on...

us or the birds...

In this case, it seems that God had very little to do with it. Not wanting to go all "tin-foil hat" here but Bergdorfer was clearly a "spook" (read the book "Bitten" sometime) and he arguably developed the Lyme's bacterium as part of an ongoing millitary bioweapons program that's been in operation since the days of "Operation Paperclip" at the end of WWII. Google a few of those buzzwords and see what you find.

"Lyme's Disease" is called that because Lyme, Connecticut is just a few miles offshore from Plum Island (and the government's "Animal Disease Research Center" that is located there), and because ticks like birds too. Dr. Eric Traub was one of the many scientists involved in the Nazi war machine that "Operation Paperclip" helped bring to the United States after the end of the war (Wernher von Braun was another). He worked at Plum Island for many years on his specialty of "vectoring diseases using insects".

Wow Lloyd, very interesting and makes a lot of sense when reading what you have stated. Also glad to hear that you are cured of the disease. A very good friend of mine years ago wasn't feeling good and went to the doctor telling him his symptoms and was tested for Lyme's disease but came back negative. He still believes he had it and now after all these years (77 years old now) he has neuropathy. Up until 2 years ago he was still climbing a 20ft tree stand.
Thanks for sharing this, explains a lot.

Or not (cut and paste)
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/ancient-history-of-lyme-disease-in-north-america-revealed-with-bacterial-genomes/#:~:text=A%20team%20of%20researchers%20led,before%20the%20arrival%20of%20humans.

Erythema Chronicum Migrans (the bull's-eye rash) was described in the early 1900s

The agent was not IDd by Burgdorfer until 1982
Burgdorfer W, Barbour AG, Hayes SF, Benach JL, Grunwaldt E, Davis JP. (1982). "Lyme disease-a tick-borne spirochetosis?" Science. 216(4552), 1317-9.

More
https://www.cdc.gov/ticks/diseases/index.html
Burbon virus was named after the county in SE KS with the first case

My BIL had Ehrlichiosis follow by cerebral vasculitis and a stroke

"Why can't I get better" was Dr. Richard Horowitz's 1st book on Lyme's. I suggest that your friend reads that as a starting point, and then he needs to find a "Lyme's literate" physician to treat him using Horowitz's protocols. Most doctors are clueless about Lyme's.

https://www.amazon.com/Better-Solving-Mystery-Chronic-Disease/dp/1250019400

https://www.amazon.com/Bitten-History-Disease-Biological-Weapons/dp/006289627X

Dr. Drew: Willie Burgdorfer clearly didn't create the spectrum of spirochete bacteria that result in Lyme's Disease, but he helped to weaponize them (& possibly enhance them). Ehrlichiosis, Babesia, and Anaplasmosis are common co-infections of Lyme's disease sufferers and all come from the same tick bite that infected them (and I had them all too). Isn't Syphilis a spirochete bacterium as well? I suspect death by Lymes would be similar.

in an effort to establish some cohesion here, here is a question:

if one hunts widah pre 1913 smith, does that provide any emunity to ticks...

if so, that could be a major difference between the pre 1913 smiths an the later guns...

seems like there are no other differences, that anyone is willing to discuss here...

Ed, here's my take on it all, the difference is mostly aesthetics. Even in the lower grades, the pre-1913 guns were assembled with enough care and attention to almost be considered "fine" guns (the Syracuse guns were even more-so here), and they would have held their own up against any of the guns being made in the world at that time. After 1913, the amount of time spent on each gun went down significantly and it showed. In the higher grades this wasn't as big a problem, but when the "O" Grade guns became "Field" Grade guns the magic began to diminish. There were a few pattern welded barrels sold after 1913, but very few, the rest were all fluid steel. The shift away from English walnut occurred around then as well and the stock-cracking problems began in earnest. There were exceptions, of course, but overall they became plain and unimaginative. Not farm implements...but close.