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Ed: I liked it better the way it was. The cornpone crap gets a little old.

Mr. Williamson: Thank you for your insight on the discharge issue. I remember hearing about the possibility of it occurring from the denizens of the world I grew up in, and then I personally experienced it. Of course you shouldn't ever drop a gun (or cause your firearm to be struck briskly in any way) but with people involved, accidents do seem to happen (and even to better guns). The circa 1914 Field Grade Smith that did it to me had lived a very-hard life by the time it had finally come into my possession (in the early 1970s), it had even been poorly re-stocked in the early 1960s so...who knows? I was 15 years old at the time and had been walking all day long, hunting ruffed grouse on a Fall Saturday in nowhere NW Pennsylvania. I stumbled from exhaustion on the long walk home and dropped the gun out of the crook of my left arm. It discharged the right tube when it landed, upside down and pointing back at me. Thankfully, I had jumped straight up when I'd realized what had happened and the charge went beneath my feet, which were still airborne. Fortunately, I was all alone and still a long way from town so nobody was put at risk or was there to witness both my clumsiness and my very poor handling of the firearm. An indelible memory for me, I must say.

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lloyd, fixed it...

even though your body was exhausted, your mind was shape and your reflexes lightning fast...

plus you were lucky...

i did not start hunting grouse until my mid twenties...

even when young, i enjoyed a good lie down in the woods...

especially on dry leaves in the fall...

less than an hour does it...

then it was up an at erm...

fresh and ready go...

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speaking of pa grouse hunting, have any of your hunted in north central and north east pa?

perhaps we have trudged some of the same ground and humped up the same mountains?


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I've hunted in McKean County Ed, Kinzua Country. Had a brother-in-law there once. Nothing further east of that though.

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furtherests west i ever hunted in pa was potter county...

favorite spot was a little south an west of wyalusing in bradford county...

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Originally Posted by Lloyd3
Ed: I've never personally seen an Ithaca with the 3-position safety, but since both the Ithacas and the Elsies use Alexander Brown's rotary bolt design I wouldn't be surprise to see that they share that option as well.

I’m out of state caring for an elderly family member so I can’t check my notes but I do have a 1900 Crass and a 1904 Lewis, both 16’s and both have the 3 position safety. My 1907 Minier, also a 16, does not.

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those early ithaca 16's are soo nice...jes oozin wid no stal ga...

an then there are the flues guns... an finally the nid...quite a story...

i seem to recall an early flues with three position safety...

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More cornpone it seems. Ed if you were to lay down in those woods now you would get up covered with ticks. I wouldn't recommend that.

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yeah, even in pa now, i guess...

an we are even now infested with blood sucking, diease carrying ticks up here in northern new england as well...

mostly in the peoples republic of mass...lesser so in me, vt an nh...

what about canada?

what are the provencial reports?

and what about northern mi, wi an mn?

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