Fair enough Doc drew, and I am willing to go through a long list of my points to ultimately agree with you. If it is okay with you, I'll use one of your earlier examples. Say you have a dear loved one in need of heart surgery, in an ideal world, would one turn to the type of research that Dr Fauci claimed was driving his covid policies, or do we have trust in the science that guides the cardiologist, just about to start the procedure?

I am of the opinion that the cardiologist must demand that their head and hands be guided by real scientific principals, maybe similar in a small way that the sportsman steward is, of our habitat. I get it, I wouldn't feed my grandkids old paint chips, but does the country truly benefit from kali political science wagging the dog? Solutions may solve your rhetoric concerns, but we are in a time where one must be loud and, or provocative to be heard. Isn't that why this subject appears on your radar?

I would edit to add, there are many voters who have absolutely no clue where grants or conclsions come from, only what the chairman wants them to see siktok. If you go back to the thread that linked soarraptors, living on a govgrant existence, at the time they sensationally splashed an xray image the showed some hundred twenty lead pieces, now long pulled.

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