This is rich... LGF posts that he can't improve upon the Preachers response which "reveals ignorance of how science works", then in the Preacher's very next post he admits that at least 5-600 Scientific Papers are retracted every year, and he provides a link that admits 60% of the thousands retracted are due to FRAUD.

Hahahaha! Trust the phony science, and just ignore what you actually see and read! And pretend there is no FRAUD even after the Preachers posts a link to an article proving retractions due to FRAUD exist, and that the number is only getting larger.

LGF also repeats the lame excuse that all those thousands or perhaps millions of tons of lead shot that was deposited in lakes, swamps, rivers, oceans , and other wetlands is no longer killing ducks because it has sunk deep out of reach into the silt. This is a silly assumption that neglects some very important facts. Not all bottoms of all water bodies are covered with deep silt. There are gravel, clay, and rocky bottoms, firm enough that lead shot won't sink deep, if at all. Furthermore, the density of pure lead is is 11.3 gr/ cu. cm while the density of gold is much greater at 19.4 gr./cu. cm. Yet divers and treasure hunters manage to find gold bars, coins, and objects from shipwrecks that happened hundreds of years ago. This much denser gold did not sink totally out of sight or out of reach. Guys who pan for gold in creeks routinely find lead shot. Bullets fired over 150 years ago on Civil War battlefields are often found on or near the surface. Then we have to consider that different ducks have vastly different feeding habits. Dabblers typically do not probe the bottom where spent shot would be. They feed on suspended aquatic vegetation and invertebrates. Stiff-tail divers actually probe into the silt where LGF says this spent shot is inaccessible. And don't forget that silt is easily churned up by storms and wave action. The ducks should still be dying in large numbers, and hunters should be reporting large numbers of waterfowl with green stained asses and other symptoms of lead poisoning.

It was also interesting that Preacher once again did not did not even try to address the questions I have been asking about obvious bias and widely conflicting data about what constitutes a lethal blood lead level in ducks. He essentially ignores the reporting of the eagle that had a blood lead level so high it was reportedly way beyond lethal, and too high to even measure... yet it was somehow still healthy enough to fly and perch in a tree.

Preacher dishonestly attempts to twist my argument by asking if it is my position that lead has no toxicity in wildlife, when I have never once made such a statement. In fact, it was a really stupid question considering that I acknowledged right here that eagles die from lead poisoning, but die in greater numbers from electrocution and being struck by vehicles.

Preacher also asks me to provide a QUOTE where he has ever advocated a lead ammo ban. But I never claimed he made such a direct statement. He really doesn't have to because he is showing us that he is supportive of the anti-lead so-called research, and is highly critical of anyone who dares to even question it. Actions really do speak louder than words.

In the past Lead Ammo Threads, I have also posted links to research that intelligently disputes the agenda driven anti-lead ammo research. There really is strong conflicting science out there that is in opposition to the notion that lead ammo is such a serious threat, that some isolated poisonings are just cause for further bans and restrictions. I thought we are supposed to be managing wildlife on a species population basis rather than an individual basis, and making knee-jerk policy based upon threats that are not nearly as bad as other things that are largely ignored. Here's a link to Hunt For Truth, a Pro-Hunting organization that has amassed and reviewed tens of thousands of papers and studies that refute the idea that lead ammunition is the major source of lead poisoning in birds and animals. I've posted this before, but apparently the Preacher couldn't be bothered to consider any data that our former anti-lead Guru Ben Deeble wouldn't agree with.

https://www.huntfortruth.org/

https://web.archive.org/web/20170319070811/http://www.huntfortruth.org/science/scientific-opinions/papersstudies/

Here's another paper that recognized metallic chunks of lead such as shot pose far less risk to birds than other more bioavailable sources such as lead dust, paint chips, pesticides and chemicals, etc. If ingested, they typically pass before any significant amount can be absorbed into the system. Anyone remember Amarillo Mike telling us that he has several dozen lead shot pellets embedded in his posterior from a hunting accident, and isn't suffering from lead poisoning? If he had the same amount of lead dust in his tissue, he would likely be dead. The information is out there for anyone who is intelligent and open-minded enough to understand that there is a ton of anti-hunting, and anti-gun, and anti-lead ammo bias in Academia. And anyone who says that Game Department wildlife biologists are infallible and always working for hunter's best interests is smoking crack.

https://dr.lib.iastate.edu/entities/publication/88187710-c019-4aa5-9bdb-94fd6351ddbe

Finally, I have cited the 2009 Climategate scandal several times as one source of evidence that science is sometimes falsified in order to reach a predetermined conclusion. It hit close to home because I am embarrassed to say my Alma Mater was involved in the FRAUD. So I followed it very closely when it happened. If Pensylvania State University was innocent, I would have defended what they did. Not every Meterologist at Penn State participated. I took a course in Meterology taught by Dr. Joel Myers, the co-founder of Accu-Weather. He and Penn State Meterologist Joe Bastardi refute much of the radical Climate Change propaganda. The Preacher has not paid attention to what has happened with that huge scandal that very nearly derailed the Global Warming agenda. When it happened, it was a huge embarrassment to the guilty parties. Even the Liberal Media saw how bad the falsification and manipulation of data was, and they steered clear of reporting about Climate Change for many months. They waited until the memory of the scandal faded away, but could never get past many people like me who remembered exactly what happened. So in recent years, the Left has twisted the truth again, and are trying to place the blame on the Hackers who intercepted and published the Smoking Gun emails. Now they are accusing the people who exposed the truth of misrepresentation, and attempting to discredit them as Climate Deniers. The Left has done the same with the fraudulent data published by Dr. Michael Mann with his discredited Hockey Stick graph that falsely proved Global Warming at a faster rate. They are shooting the messenger in an attempt to save face. Hitler's propaganda minister Josef Goebbels would be proud, and the Preacher should know better.

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