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I find 1oz/1145fps to be a bit much in the recoil department for a 6lb 16ga....for target shooting, hunting low volume game it is fine.
1oz/1295fps seemed a bit overkill for trap loads in a 8lb plus 32" 2E Krupp Pigeon Special.
The above guns are hard buttplates.
To keep this in perspective, I had no problem with heavy bismuth loads in a Gold Light 10ga.
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Well, I'm sure the lighter 12s do have a bit more recoil but...in older Damascus guns I simply don't push them very hard. RST 7/8 ounce lightweights are more the rule, with the occational 1-ounce load used in the left barrel and nothing very fast ( 1,040-1,100 fps stuff), the birds don't seem to notice.
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Let me tell you about my detached retina… Best, Ted Well Teddy you don't put the butt end to your eye...
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I have a 6lb Dickson RA and it is certainly hard to manage on crossing targets. Mike when did you get the Dickson?
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Let me tell you about my detached retina… Best, Ted Not any different that 1 oz out of a 6# 20 gauge either. Even 1.25 oz @1200 or so is just fine out of a 6# hunting gun for most folks. Anyone who suffers from astigmatism is more at risk of a detached retina. Ditto males versus females. People with blue eyes suffer more of them than people with other color eyes. People with ancestry from Northern Europe are more susceptible to detached retinas. Older people are at greater risk as well. Tell me, exactly how do you square your “most folks” supposition with the above facts about who suffers the greatest chance of retina detachment? Or, are you just making it up? Best, Ted All the folks that I hunt with that use 6.25 or lighter 12s are male, blue eyed, Nordic to a fault, and mostly old. They are doing just fine with such loads in such guns. Like the man said, quit putting your gun on your eye. Maybe you could use some lessons or something. FWIW, I have my retina mapped and analyzed digitally every year. My eye doc knows that I shoot heavy guns that recoil much more than a 6# shotgun. 80 rounds per day, in multiday matches, is not uncommon. No problems. No concern or expectation of a problem from him. Just because you have a problem doesn't mean everyone or even "most" people would. They don't. Good grief.
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I really like to carry them. The birds have no clue that its a short shell I am using. As Geo once said "an ounce of 6's is an ounce of 6's!" An ounce in a 16 or an ounce in a 12, both are great
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I have a 6lb Dickson RA and it is certainly hard to manage on crossing targets. A 6lb Dickson RA is the ultimate dream gun. I'd love to see one. I'm sure you will manage those crossing targets with just a little more practice. I seem to adjust to a new gun faster if I shoot clays from low gun position. The longer mount and swing gives me a better feel for the lightness I guess. In any event, it works for me.
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6 1/4 pound 20 bore...7/8 oz lead...
6 1/2 pound 16 bore...1 oz lead...
6 3/4 pound 12 bore...1 1/8 oz lead
above weights are for loaded guns and are recommended to new sxs shooters...
lighter than above guns beat up the shooter...
heavier than above guns gain weight after lunch...
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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water fowl, trap and clays guns should be heavier than above...
otherwise sore shoulder results...
see little shooting use for guns under 6 pounds and over 8 pounds...
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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Well, I'm sure the lighter 12s do have a bit more recoil but...in older Damascus guns I simply don't push them very hard. RST 7/8 ounce lightweights are more the rule, with the occational 1-ounce load used in the left barrel and nothing very fast ( 1,040-1,100 fps stuff), the birds don't seem to notice. Lloyd, the "lighter 12s" don't have "more" recoil. It has nothing to do with the gauge. What matters is the weight of the gun, the weight of the ejecta and the speed the ejecta is accelerated to. Physics doesn't care what gauge you are shooting. A 6 pound 12, a 6 pound 16 and a 6 pound 20 will have the same recoil if they are shooting the same load to the same speed. The difference between them should be ballistics,,,,,,with the larger bore producing the better pattern, theoretically. This discussion that relates recoil to gauge is nuts......it's recoil to gun weight, load and speed you should be talking about.
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