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Under the situation you describe i think i would be more concerned with whether or not the slug would stop the buff than if it would blow up the gun. For steady use I think they would be unadvisable, but not likely to totally wreck the gun with two shots. I think that I would accertain what size choke the slug would go through & not use a tighter choke than that. I do believe though the Brenneke's are designed for the ribs to compress & go though a rather tight choke without damage. Many of the German guns were choked quite tight, & I do not recall seeing advise to not use them in such guns.
Miller

It's been said that experienced folks in Alaska carrying a handgun for bear protection file off the front sight-much less unpleasant when the bear inserts brl in one's backside. Would suggest that you do same with the Brno. :rolleyes:

Can you buy components and roll your own?
There's some sabot slugs here that might not trumpet the barrels.
http://www.ballisticproducts.com/bpi/articles/slug/slugs1.htm
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The above are too beeg.

The Remington sabots are .50 cal, but they need Yogi's birthday cake.

A typical 12 gauge bore diameter is .729, the full choke on his right barrel brings that down to .684, the extra full choke on his left barrel brings that down to .679.

Ergo: Right .684
Left .679

And the BRNO may actually start out at .724 which would reduce those diameters down ANOTHER 5 thousands!

The Brenneke Rottweil 3" slugs are, if my memory serves me---.730, and maybe .735

You don't want to be shooting those hardened fat Brenneke slugs through your choked smoothbore. It is far fatter than those bores with those choke numbers. I know the brenneke design has rails on them that decompress a tad to provide a no slop fit in cylinder bore (.724-.729) therefore most Brenneke's are .730 diameter for smoothbore shots guns at .724 to .729, but you don't want the slug to be much bigger than a couple of thousands bigger and only IF it is a Brenneke with that thin rail design. LGF's numbers spell trouble.

And that doesn;t even get into the matter of the 3 inch shell squished into that little 2 and 3/4 inch chamber!

I think that is a good idea of rolling your own. It is easy. And fun. No big investment. A roll crimper for a drill or drill press is what $30?

You can buy .670 dangerous game slugs or even round balls in .675.

I agree with you that if I was in Buffalo country, I would want at least a gallant effort on my part and slip 2 slugs in my BRNO 49ZP.

If you can, ship in some factory loads, you probably don't need more than a box of five. However, if it really is impossible to get a box o five slugs in to country then at the least I would recommend BUCKSHOT. 000 or... What is the largest size pellets you cna shoot there anyway???

The results should be considerably better than hitting it with your birdshot or trying to spit in its mouth (although hey I have heard nuttier things that worked!) At any rate, I would NOT try the 3 Inch Magnum Brenneke slugs in your tight little BRNO.

If it is at all possible I would be honored to load up some slugs for you in a .275 ish range. 2 and 3/4 inch length. But how do I send them to you? The baked inside the birthday cake thingy probably wouldn't work....

A drilling or cape gun with a 9.3 rifle barrel with a solid starts to sound very good in this situation.

As Miller stated, I would be less concerned with any damage to the gun.

Here is thread on AR on this very subject.
http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1411043/m/470106025?r=870106025#870106025

In short, it has been done, but I would not want to be around to witness the attempt.

Pete

"A mans got to know his limitations"

You are limited by several, including legal, ammunition, firearm, and last, but far, far from least, the 'buff itself, which, would be a challenge with the very best equipment, designed for the task.

If you insist on these solitary walks, you are tempting fate with the parameters you have laid out. You are either very, very brave, or damn foolish, or both.

Until something changes, (like, you learn how to reload shot cartridges for a .458 Winchester bolt gun, and always have a bullet loaded for round two) you may want to rethink this.
Best,
Ted

Isn't this exactly why the 'cape gun' was invented?

Man you are trying to do too many things, at once, for me. You will have to unload your gun, reload with the slugs and draw a bead on a Buff which will have been charging, at you, for several seconds. Unless he was a decent distance away from you, I am putting my money on the Buff. No offense. Staying alive is your only choice and how you do it does not matter.

30 years ago I killed a charging Brown bear at less than 30 yards with a .270. One shot, in the left eye socket, and down he went. Two seconds more and the Brown bear would be typing here, if he learned how to type. I was lucky. Very under gunned, scope cranked up to max. power so I could not find a thing for the longest two seconds of my entire life, not ready for any charge, unaware that he was there, or that he found the other white meat, me, so tasty. And you are willing to smack a Buff, which I fear is several times harder to kill than a Brown bear, with a couple Breneke slugs.

You have to be either desperate or brave. Do you think that you will be able to stop a charging Buff, with one or two slugs, at ranges that you are dealing with? What is the chance of putting your slug in a key area, getting enough penetration to reach a vital area and then having enough time for it to work before the Buff is smoking a cigeratte over you body? No heart/lung shot will do, you either need a brain shot or a spinal cord shot. Rake him from mouth to anus and you are still dead. Before he bleeds out you will be long gone. Three legs will serve him long enough to finish you. I doubt that the slugs would break his leg for a certain fact. Brain or spine only as your target.

Now this is not sporting, and some will be repelled by the suggestion, but I would go for two shots to the eyes with the small pellets you already have in the gun. Not sporting, but I garuntee you have a better chance of putting out both of his eyes, than you have of putting out his lights or punching his ticket. Then you will have to return later and dispatch him with a proper solid load that will end his life.

Not fair chase, not a nice thing to do, but in the circumstances it would be one way to stay alive. Take out his eyes and you still have to deal with his nose and ears but at least you have some chance. Keep a large tree between the two of you and hope if he charges again he breaks his neck.

For that matter if you had to shoot a 3" shell in your gun it might not matter any way. There are four possible outcomes. If the gun blows up you are injured if not killed the Buff kills you, or the gun does not fail, you miss the instant fatal shot and the Buff kills you, the gun fails you are severly injured but do hit and kill the buff then die a short time later, or the gun holds togeather you hit and kill the Buff and live to tell us about it. Four outcomes of which three suck. 3:1 odds against a happy outcome.

Think that I would find another hobby unless you are willing to play unfair. Being fair is for the birds when it is your life at stake. No fighter pilot warned the other pilot if he could sneak in behind him and shoot him down first. Staying alive is the name of the game, let us not be PC and play by the fair chase rules and give a Buff an even break. The only even break I would like to give him is both front legs or his neck.

About ten years ago I started giving the crew when the went ashore to pick berries on Kodiak Island, a sawed off (pump) shotgun. We loaded it slug - bird shot, bird shot, slug - slug. It, luckly, was never used. The idea of the bird shot was to blind the bear. As for handguns, I do not think many folks who live in the bush carry them or large knives.
I heard on the radio of a fellow who was knocked down by a bear, it started to jump on him and he blew a whistle. The bear left him wih a few broken ribs and no flesh tears. (very unusual) To add a bit of humor, If you were eating a steak and it started to blow a whistle, would't you leave it alone... I have a lot of bear stories._
I would try to do some hand loading, slugs can be cast, etc.