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Wrong dicision.
People forgot, that buff allways been shot from BP expresses from 12G and bigger and not so long time ago BTW.
It's not about bullet energy, it's about the size of a hole in buff skin
Unfortunatly the stradegy of hunting has changed forever. If earlier hunter tried to come up to wild animal as closer as possible, today he armed with sub-moa rifle with gas filled scope or the 4-th generation NV can kill animal from allmost any distance.
But from very short distance double shotgun loaded with right ammo is deadly weapon, moreover it's stopper.

I'd be willing to bet that a 12 gauge slug, or better, two, fired into an angry Water 'buff at close range would stop him.

I'm just not willing to bet my life on it. Also, keep in mind that once a 'buff is wounded is when the fun starts, according to quite a few survivors.

My biggest problem with the whole picture is our friend being told by his friendly government what ammunition he can and can't use to save his ass in this worst of the worst possible case scenario. It seems to me that he could win the battle and still lose the war.

Good luck.
Best,
Ted

Agree with Geno. Not so long ago there were no magnum calibers, only large lead balls and BP. How did the African hunters do it?

Surely a modern 12ga.slug is better than a lead ball propelled by BP.

JC(AL)

The time to find out your gun shoots slugs a little wide of the mark is not when the 'buff is 15 yards away and with a full head of steam coming at you. It would seem he can't practice, can't get more than he has, can't get the correct length, and will need more than prayer on his side to avoid meeting his maker in a profound state of pain.
All this complicates severely the "Slugs will stop a 'buff" argument.
Best,
Ted

I think .375H&H plus quality bullet like Trophy Bonded, Swift A-Frame, ABC,...is plenty with good marksmanship! I think penis and testicles have been reduced to a vestigial organ in some modern nimronds, they use elephant guns for bear now! :rolleyes:
PS. I like French cartridges:
http://www.sauvestre.com/index_us.htm
http://www.fipbullet.com/
http://www.cartouchegpa.com/
I'm tired of German 'Originale' and American repackaging '101' like "NEW" 'Fusion',.....,etc!

Well, there's a suggestion for someone who is armed with a shotgun and finds himself in a desperate need of slugs. Take a shotshell, and make three cuts on the shell between the powder and the shot,to make segments of a circle so that the top and bottom parts of the shell are held together only by minor segments of the shell (I wonder if I put it clear enough - almost cut the shell, but not the wad, in half). Now when the shell is fired, the head will break off and fly away with the shot enclosed into it. For all practical purposes, it's a slug. I've read reports on that, and once at a patterning board it happened to me accidentally. The "slug" made a perfectly circular hole in the board, rather below POA at 35 meters. There was no damage to the gun, but it was a heavy waterfowler with fixed Mod. choke.

A shotgun version of the Glaser Safety Slug? Sounds quite interesting, Humpty Dumpty.
Regards,
Jani

Jani, it's old poaching tip. Many people were killed using it on brown bears and mooses.
I have heard a story once about 3 poachers, they tried to kill moose buck using birdshots trying to blind him. If you hit the eyes, it doesn't mean animal doesn't see you, he sees shadows at least. Shortly, two from three poachers been killed by moose

Poachers... Something is always happening to them... Is it because the bother of avoiding the Law distracts their attention from other safety issues?

Once when I was a kid, Dad and me went fishing with a guy who turned out to be a pro poacher, and he took his shotgun along (the duck season was open). At dawn, when we woke up, the man started climbing out of the tent when he suddenly stopped and started signalling and whispering to me to give him the gun and a shell, quick, bexause there was a teal sitting just nearby. I got the gun, took a shell out of his ammo belt, looked at it and it was marked #7, so I handed it to him. Boom went the gun and then the guy turns to me and starts cussing me like he was practicing for a profanity world championship.

It turned out, as he put it, that no poacher worthy of the name went anywhere without a slug or two. But, since possession of a slug without valid big-game permit was illegal, to avoid misunderstanding with game wardens, he disguised his slugs to look like shot cartridges. To avoid confusion, he marked them #7, as he himself never shot anything smaller than #3.

Well, anyway, the bottom line here is that slugs and shot in the same place call for extreme caution.

I've heard of many huters who carried slugs "just in case", and loaded either one of the barrels of a double, or the first couple of shells in an auto's magazine, when they felt a bear or boar attack was likely. Almost invariably, the result was that a slug was fired at a bird by mistake.

This won't cause any problems if the hunter follows the basic safety rules in the first place. But if the slugs availiable might be dangerous for the gun, as in the problem discussed, it would be a sorry incident indeed to have that Briley tube fly away not as part of saving the owner's skin, but just accidentally.

I'm trying to keep my Russian mentality in check here, but... I've noticed that many of the 3" slug shells use a considerablí length of the shell to hold the bullet, so muc actually, that you can "open" the shell, cut it to 2 3/4, and still have enough left to adequatly "close" the round...

I would much prefer to risk the regular factory 3" load than one cut to give a homemade slug. Many years ago the American rifleman did do a test on this "Conversion" & amazingly found a lessened max pressure, due no doubt to loss of gas from the shortness of the remaining hull. They did not however reccommend it as an acceptable alternative to a slug. People have taken a cut section from a 16ga hull crimped on both ends with the charge inside as a homemade slug, but even this would not likely give a very deep penertration on a Buff. Read a letter to a hunting mag many years ago from a man from ahe Appalacian region of east TN, who used #5 shot for all of his hunting. for deer & black bear he opened the crimp, poured in bees-wak & re-closed. He referred to it as "Waxing a Buck". None of these of course would be pressure tested & could indeed prove destructive to the gun, particularly to the thin-wall choke.
Miller