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Just about everything you said is incorrect or inaccurate, or only partly accurate. As I said earlier, scientist can drill down into the ice in places like Anartica, Netherlands and US and bring up ice core samples and through the water molecules, measure past temperatures, greenhouse gases, etc. back through several centuries. Not just 120 years. So it is not a guessing game. In fact they can measure temperatures clear back through the past 3 ice ages, if I remember correctly........... You need to read a little more about the pine beetles. The forestry in Alaska is centuries old and have declined only in the past few decades because of the earth's warming. In Alaska the permafrost is melting so badly that pockets of methane gas are coming to the earth's surface of the ice and when the bubbles break, it continues to go up into the atmosphere. People are drilling into the ice only inches down and lighting the methane with cigarette type lighters......... The coral reefs around the world are dangerously declining. The Great Barrier Reef you mentioned only increased in the past year or so and is still quite iffy............. You need to read a bit more about the earth's ozone layer. The ozone above the Antarctic won't return to 1980 levels until around 2066 and above the Artic in 2045 as long as it continues to heal the way it is now.......... According to Steve Amstrap Chief Scientists for Polar Bears says that populations HAVE NOT GROWN. There were only more polar bears than they previously thought. Other experts/scientists say the population has not increased, but their ability to track them has. Dinosaurs?? Yes, things do change. And global warming is doing the changing.

Ol’ Ed, showing us his highest and best use.
JR

What you and so many are failing to understand, JimmyW, is that these cycles have been occurring since creation. Ya' think the "scientists" following Noah had a theory that some sort of man-made climate change was responsible for the great flood that destroyed all of mankind except for Noah and his wife, and their three sons and their wives? Or, do you boo-hoo that account in the Bible, even though overwhelming geologic evidence exists that the great flood actually occurred? All those peoples who died due to their own wickedness, and who had heard Noah preaching repentance while he labored building that ark for 120 years, must have had a sad but brief realization that they were wrong, and that there really was a Creator who demanded obedience from them above their own self-centeredness. Self centeredness was at the core of the cause for that flood, and is at the core of humanism today.

Here's the essence of the issue with humanists ...... (those are the people who believe that mankind is the ultimate being in the universe, and do not believe in an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent being .... God Almighty). Humanists easily convince themselves that every anomaly in nature, an anomaly being something that they cannot explain outside the belief of an omnipotent God, happens because of man and his actions. That is a critical error in analytical thought, but is the natural course of thought for an unbeliever, or one who places limits on the power of the Creator, the Almighty God.

The fact is that we are NOT in control. We do not set the course for civilization. We affect it, but only up to a point. We will not destroy the planet before the pre-determined end of the age, and we will not render it a place unfit for civilization outside of the will of God. That power is reserved for Him. When a person gets a proper perspective of their place in the order of things they come to understand just how unimportant they are in the ultimate order of time, but just how important they CAN be in the lives of those around them. And that, my friend, is a humbling perspective.

P.S. guys, better get said what you want to say. I predict this 'un will be locked soon.

The average amount of snow in my area should be 20-30 inches of snow per winter. 2022-2023-- 14.4".........2019-2020--11.2"..........2021-2022--13.3".........this year-- probably less than a foot so far. I don't know where you non-global warming believers have been, but I haven't shoveled my driveway ONCE this winter. LOL

Jimmy w the last glacial maximum 2.58 million to 11700 years ago to as much as 40 million years ago was a global warming event,methane gas is naturally formed the Sargasso of sea has massive methane blooms mismanagement of the forest has caused unbelievable damage in California,the earth warms naturally,call India and china and complain.P.S follow the money on global warming science.

The science is settled, 97 percent of scientist who are looking for government grants to study climate change agree.oh my God jimmy four years of anecdotal data it must be global warming

I don't know what exactly you are trying to say, but I believe we CAN help control global warming. The "healing" of the ozone is in reverse and is repairing itself, but it will take time. The main reason it is so hard to correct global warming is because of the world population. It has grown from 2.5 billion to 8 billion since 1950. At least we can try to correct the situation that we have created. I never cared that much for Al Gore, but isn't it odd that everything he told us the scientists predicted clear back in 2005 has come true and is only getting worse?

Stan, that is just laughable. I'm sorry, but it is.

So predictable. Anything that might just possibly inconvenience those who are so self-centered in their ways, must be wrong, according to them. So it always is.

Today, after burning buckets of gasoline and choking down a grassed steak at Ole's (IYKYK) while watching the Snows and the Cranes, about 5 weeks early along the plate, I'm lounging in Western Nebraska, enroute to California to pick up a puppy. If you didn't think anthropogenic climate change (ACC for short) was for real, it will be by the time I get home. Yes, climate changes and always has. But never has it changed so fast with so much at stake, and so little ability to cope.

It amazes me what such self-centered people can convince themselves of, if it strikes at their lifestyle. But what's new? Humans said we could never cut down all the old trees, or catch all the cod, or shoot all the passenger pigeons and bison, etc. But here we are. And we found so many other ways to add to that toll even without our precious guns. All that CO2 and methane (remember the cows - I have posted a biomass graphic for terrestrial mammals in the past - stunningly depressing).

Did you know that one of the more interesting side effects of CO2 is that it fertilizes plants to the point that there is now about 2x as much biomass (where there are wild plants) than there used to be, preindustrial? Sounds good, eh? Sadly, there is not 2x as much nutrients in that vegetation. So there is a lot of it, but it is increasingly poor quality. So poor that many things (not subsidized cows of course), are having trouble eating enough to make it by. Animals far down the food chain are inarguably (for rational folk, not some of you irrats) are declining. Things like insects and other arthropods, birds, etc. This could be as much from having a tough time choking down enough grub to reproduce sufficiently, to the more traditionally suspected and indubitably guilty, pesticides, pestilence, drought, heat, habitat loss, etc.

The bottom line is that long ago, we passed the point of no return, and it will become much grimmer before it gets better. If you have kids, their lives will be much more impacted than yours, but we see that already and it is not only climate. 8 billion people just won't float on this little bitty rock. They never will.

There is an ecological argument for the "burning down the house" mentality of you ACC deniers. But it is really weak, and really grim, and you really wouldn't like it. I am not nearly as optimistic as Jimmy, but I applaud him for it. It is not that we could not fix it, only that we WILL not fix it.

Carry on.

here is a graph of co2 levels and temperatures for 600 million years, please show me the correlation

It has changed so fast before the ice receded stating 11000 years ago at the end of the glacial maximum it receded in hundreds of years not thousands .I just looked at the snow fall historically for where I live data starts in 1892 zero snow then two to four feet then in 1896 over 100 inches then in1926 18 years with no snow this is weather the snow fall is random at best.we can't survive with out co2