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Wow, never considered these barrels could be a Ferlach product! Love it!

Franz Umfahrer is another possible source for Ferlacher tubes:

>>Franz Umfahrer, weapons and barrel maker of Klagenfurt, Kärnthon may have been a little larger regarding craftsmen with around 160 craftsmen but his hydropower was at 14 Pfdkr. His operation had 4 barrel forges( Laufschweissfeuer), 2 tube hammers, 4 barrel boring machines and 3 lathes. He founded his quaint business in 1853 and twenty years later it had really increased as he claims in 1872/1873 to have supplied around 7000 components to Austria, Egypt, Germany, Italy, Modlan Walchei(?) and Russia in that year or in total by that year which I'm more apt to believe(He advertises as supplying makers in the whole of Austria(Oesterreich), in Deutschland, Italien Russland, Egypten, in der T�rkei, Moldau und Walachei, by employing some 160+ craftsmen). He may have finished the barrels<<.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

And brining up the rear, we have ....>>Ferlach's Johann Schaschl, who offered some 31 different varieties of pattern welded tubes, according to adverts.......<<

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
You asked for a translation of 70Pfdrk. I'm guessing it is an old term for 70 Horsepower, if Pfdrk is Pferddruecken. The term I'm more familiar with is Pferdstark. Keep in mind, my English is pretty bad and my German is worse.
Mike

Thanks Ford and in another older thread Mr. Lomas provided the same:

>>6 Wasseraden von 70 pfdrk = 6 water wheels from 70 pferdrucken literally horse pull a measure of torque that predates ps pferdstaube/ horse power,it lacks the element of time and therfefore reflects torque only.<<

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Looks to be another mark here?

Are there any marks or initials here??

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

https://www.shotgunworld.com/threads/gustav-meffert-sxs-shotgun-age-id.504884/

Above is an other thread @ ShotgunWorld where a Gustav Meffert possibly wears some Ferlacher Damas....


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

The below is lifted from the above thread and looks to be well worth a read:


>>......
>>Wir beschränken uns daher im folgenden auf die Schilderung der Fabrikation von Schußwaffen und bitten den Leser mit uns an Ort und Stelle die Herstellung derselben sich anzusehen.
Die freundliche Aufnahme welche wir bei den Herren Gebrüder Meffert finden giebt uns dazu die beste Gelegenheit ......<<

I have seen the artikel a couple of times in the Gazebo(Gartenlaube) - 1892 although I am confident the artikel is older, how much I can't say. It is an interesting read, an interesting read in that how Suhl commenced as a Salt Lick / Salt Mine( Der älteste Nahrungs zweig Suhls war allerdings nicht das Waffenschmieden sondern die Salzgewinnung welcher die Stadt). Salt was King @ one point and just visit the Salt Towers in Bad Nauheim where Elvis Presley had a residence. Then the Croatians(Führung des Feldobersten Jolani Kroatenbanden) under the leadership of Field Colonel Jolani in 1634 carted off all the weapons, not before reducing Suhl to a pile of ashes in 7 hours. This may explain how the Croatians & Slovens acquired their vast knowledge of weapons making & then were carted off to Ferlach, Austria? But it was feast or famine for the Citizens of Suhl, and Citizens of surrounding support cities like Benhausen(not mentioned), Heinrichs, Mehlis & Zella Sankt Blasii where weapons making support could be found, depending on if warring factions were fighting or in love. As a result & like Liège, the mechanics in Suhl concentrated on hunting weapons and affluent folks( Suhl bald zu neuer Blüthe Fürsten und Herren kamen nicht selten in eigner Person dahin) came many times in person to place an order. It describes their preferred wood source of either Italy, Switzerland or inland Pfalz(top choice)
>>Zur Zeit wird zu Schaft und Kolben nur noch Nußbaumholz verwendet, welches man aus Italien, der Schweiz und der Pfalz bezieht; letzteres ist das beste.<< And that pattern welded tubes were sourced from the Belgian regions of Nessonvaux und Trooz. Then the article begins to describe a general path for a weapon to be made. Who it went to, their task, etc. When it when it went to the engraver; how the case colours were accomplished, etc.

But when you passed thru the lovely hamlet of Heinrichs, there one would find the best opportunity to fully learn the nuances of weapons making with the Fine Friendly Folks @ Gebrüder Meffert, where they welcomed you with open arms, greeted you with a full embrace & handed you a Daniel Webster Cigar/Stogie(well not really but one can dream?). Of course there's much more and I can elaborate more if anyone of the couple of folks that are still following along with terms like:

„Fischhaut" / Schuppenfischhaut - chequering

„Ausschäften" - all the components of the weapon out of the wood

„eingeschäftet" - all of the components of the weapon assembled / attached to the wood
- antithesis of „Ausschäften"<<

No other marks. Took lots of close ups, nothing.