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I don't have an illustration brother, but it appears that the straight ribband edge weld (red) is between crolle rods (with the wavy 'zipper' crolle rod to rod weld in blue) so the ribband was a Twist rod in between 2 Crolle (twisted) rods, rolled under heat and high pressure, then wrapped around a mandrel and the edges hammer welded (either by hand or mechanically)



Or maybe not It may have been Crolle - Twist - Crolle - Crolle rods

Spatial orientation was never my strong suite. Steve Culver would figure it out.

Hey Doc, was this a higher or more rare form of Damascus or just a mid grade thing? I assumed this was a more rare type since I had only seen it on higher end guns. This gun looks to be just a bit more than run of the mill but couple notches down from his higher offerings.

Thanks Hause for all the effort. So just to be clear, the lines I drew(not pun intended) attention to are mechanically added but rather are a by product of the etching process?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Jt: it was mostly a Ferlach thing, and on higher grade guns. French also and called Pôle de Barbier - "Barber's Pole"

Raimey - the Twist rods were part of the ribband. The etching enhanced the contrast.

One crolle rod probably between 2 Twist rods; the ribband edge weld in the middle of the Twist rods



2 crolle rods



SIX (!) crolle rods

Indeed Hause, most interesting. I guess just seeing those >>Faux Damas<<, I automatically assumed that the interesting pattern was turned into the tube not a by product of the welding, then enhanced by the acid.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

>>.....Phillip Poschinger looks to be the source for tubes in Ferlach or even Austria. In the early 1870s he had some sort of tublar hammer with 4 individual hammers(Rohrhammerwerk mit 4 Hammerschlägen), 4 water wheels(I assume quite large), 8 furnaces(?)(8 feuern) which he bought in 1866 and retooled with 6 water wheels(6 Wasserrädern von 70 Pfdrk. –need a translation) all the shop included 6 boring machines, 2 lathes, 2 grinders and the whole lot was in full swing in 1867 with the aide of 100 craftsmen. His facility manufactured pattern welded tubes of fine pattern and something like self-made Damascus tubes-( Jagdgewehr mit selbsterzeugten Damastläufen, Musterdamastlauf mit 6 verschiedenen feinen Damasten, 4 St. halbgeschweisste Damastläuf- on the last phrase I have no idea yet).

He more than likely was the tube source for Johann Outschar of Ferlach who began in 1858 and by 1870 he advertised as being a specialist in the luxury weapons department. He made pin-fire doubles and scatterguns as well double rifles, muzzle-loaders, caps guns, etc.( Kapselgewehre, einfache Stutzen und Flinten). In addtion to “real Ferlach” pattern welded tubes, he also sourced Bernard & Leclerc.

He looks to have offered muzzle-loader with a tube ½ pattern welded and ½ iron???(Vorderlader mit halbgedrehten Rubandnmastläufen und mit halbgedrehten Eisenläufen). But what is most interesting is his offering of Ferlach’s Rosendamastläufen and Ferlach’s Halbrosenläufen and twisted Rubandamastläufen.<<

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...ds=POSCHINGER&Search=true#Post159778

I agree on the Ferlacher obsession & more than likely the Meffert tubes were sourced from Phillip Poschinger.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

So might >>twisted Rubandamastläufen<<be the correct term to fit the bill here on the Meffert?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Haven't seen that term but certainly possible. The tube makers named patterns whatever they wanted.

Another example referred to as "Combination Damascus"
I think the ribband edge weld is again down the middle of the Twist rods



And just to confuse us this is a very different pattern than what U.S. makers labeled (Belgian made tubes) as Damascus Twist
The lopin thereof; two sections of the end-on rod showing how the rod was 'stacked'

I just wish I had made better notes on the references way back then. Most of references are somehow masked or hidden now.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

On the image I lifted, this just might be ole Poschinger himself?? Note the OSHA wooden safety shoes are required in the 4th foto.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse