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Jtplumb,
Not to get away from 9.3x72R but I noticed your comment about trouble with a 6.5x58R and Nosler or Barnes bullets. Did you "slug" your barrel or just assume it is .264"? Most 6.5x58R/6.5x48R or 6.5x70R are .260-.261", groove diameter. This may be the source of your problems. My own 6.5x58R has very shallow grooves, in addition to the small groove diameter. I often use oversize bullets in 9.3x72Rs, and 8x85I/IRs, but am very reluctant to do this with that particular 6.5x58R. I make my .261" by sizing .264". For this, you can't use solid or partition bullets as donors and must use "cup and core" type bullets.
Mike

I guess that I am fortunate in that my 6.5x58R Heeren has a .264 barrel.

Ford has a Doctor's appointment today in Columbus but I hope to catch up with him and drop off some 32 bore shotshells this evening & see the 6.5mm he has cobbled together .

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

I haven’t slugged. Family had use rifle with cast and sierra round nose bullets over the years. Barrel is marked 6.3. Others had recently recommended using.257 bullets. Rifle had never been accurate, probably why. I will definitely be back in touch when that drilling comes back.

HalfaDouble,
You are fortunate that it has a .264" barrel; but twice blessed that it is a Heeren. Is it 6.5x58R S&S or a rimmed version of the 6.5x58 Portuguese?
Mike

Jtplumb,
For what it is worth, mine are also marked 6.3. Rifles intended for .264" bullets(6.7mm) are typically marked 6.5mm as the bore (not groove or bullet) diameter.
Mike

Not sure whether we should start a new 6,3mm thread of just corrupt this one more?

Had a lovely visit with Ford where I dropped in on he & his wife right @ dinner time where he & his wife had one of my favourite meals, Brussel Spouts & Cube Steak, but I had already eaten earlier. So I missed a fantastic meal. Down the stairs to the Ford Museum & Man Cave, we had several discussions. The 1st with his Louis Nappworst in Braunschweig Kipplauf by Franz Jäger then a REMO in 32 Bore over 6.3mm. Made in Z-M in what looks to be July 1913. @ least I think it was 32 bore as we discussed several.....

Nappworst is still in business today: https://www.knappworst.com/








Frame w/ 2 serial numbers. Probably that of the mechanic in Z-M and REMO



Rifled / solid projectile tube was sourced from Syndicat Liégeois d’Armes de Guerre, which was composed of Jules Ancion & Co., Dresse, Laloux & Cie., Auguste Fráncotte & Pirlot & Fresart.
There are Austrian marks & a final diameter of 6.3mm found just above the script >>FK<<.


So the Austrian final pass datastring aides in the 1913 date, which is difficult to discern from the Z-M date-stamp. But what is odd is that there isn't a Number on the Breastplate of the Double-Headed Habsburg Eagle.






Converted 30-30 Case and fire formed by Ford.



See how Ford removed some thickness by facing the 30-30 case removing any trace of info of the Parent 30-30 case.

We discussed 3(three) 6,3mm:

6,3X 48R
6,3X 58R

and 6,3X57$. Also, we had an interesting discussion of another 8mm besides 8X57IRS, 8X57IR and 8X57R-360.

Plus a 5,6mm rim thickness comparison between the American 5,6mm & the European 5,6mm....

Much more of course & on multiple threads.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

2 tube efforts by >>SS<<, Stephan Schilling noted on the left side of the lower tube plus one can see the 32 bore stamp.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

https://www.germanhuntingguns.com/the-5-6x35r-vierling-5-6x36r-22-hornet/

Above is Ford's artikel on the 5,6mm being one topic of our discussion of rim thickness.

Serbus,


Raimey
rse

Note in Raimey's posting that the 6.5x57 discussed was 6.5x57R, there is no 6.5x57S. This 6.5 takes a .264" bullet, not .261". Also, when thinning rims from the rear, I deepen the primer pockets with a primer pocket uniformer. Previous sectioning of case heads showed there was enough material left and so far, experience bears this out. The other 8mm discussed was the 8.2x57R Hagen AKA 8x57R Express. The Louis Knappworst was a different rifle, namely a Franz Jager 9.3x72R with Express proof. The 32 ga/6.5x48R was a REMO made for marketing by someone else.
Mike