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![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/be/5f/JBtXC6mh_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/40/6c/nUQTH65l_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/8a/16/INhFIiiE_t.jpg) If you sort thru the British Chicken Scratching, you can see the 70mm chambers, 12/29 Proof Date & what looks to be an date of 1951 by the Birmingham Proof Facility? An interesting Sauer Taubenflinte Modell Nr. 29C, whose order was placed Oktober 15th, 1928, passed thru the Suhl Proof Facility in December 1929 & delivered on January 31st, 1930. The books list the hand of Master Engraver Fritz Berkes as the author of the adornment but this is not the case & more than likely the tap, tap, tap is by the hand of his employee Klaus Werner. Now on the to the >>Der Führer<< on the PistolGrip Cap and that is very odd & looks to be of the hand of Richard Schilling. Not a lot of understanding of the phrase just yet. ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/d6/a3/HIYEDZCy_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/3a/75/pwyFf3U0_t.jpg) In a bit of a rush as usual but I'll try to flip these later. ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/dc/88/YAdA85X9_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/3e/8f/eSRJQPsE_t.jpg) What I am looking for are opinions on the holes in the forend. A pattern effort by the current custodian shows it shooting 8" high but the probability of it leaving Sauer that way approaches zero. ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/5d/5a/iewZZec1_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/6d/03/QMpGFmQZ_t.jpg) Serbus, Raimey rse
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provision for an adjustable hand stop - as used on target rifles? i don't understand how the raised wood block atop the forearm allows it to properly seat against the barrel set....bizarre. drilling through the checkering would seem to indicate the modification was an added "feature".
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I am leaning towards lead weights for Pigeon Shooting??? But I can't say either way ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/1a/f2/WKGGJnus_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/ed/b9/GLS0YAWN_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/8e/ef/NWsl2pH5_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/0f/40/fH3rlgpE_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/82/ff/0eSQDtlA_t.jpg) I rotated & cropped a few images. Serbus, Raimey rse
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![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/bd/4f/EH4Z2a8Z_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/6f/ed/pcSQBY45_t.jpg) Typical Pigeon on top rib and then some wood??? Any ideas on the addition of wood?? Serbus, Raimey rse
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![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/e9/05/vRJUptwJ_t.jpg) Homemade Wooden Trap Rail??? "Selfmade" Hochschuss!... Current Custodian gives: >>A piece of 1/4 balsa wood tapered down to 1/32 at the muzzle attached with tape and blackened with a marker. Purpose is to raise the point of aim 8" at 30Yds.<< Serbus, Raimey rse
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Somewhere on this website, there is a thread with a Pigeon Gun, or similar, that has the addition of lead bars in the forend for a shooting edge. For the moment I just cannot remember who is the custodian nor the maker?
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I have seen (and tried myself) such remedies: - a raised rib, either to raise the point of impact as descibed, possibly for trap shooting, or to compensate for a buttstock that has just not enough drop - adding weight to adjust balance of the gun, some people just want to have more weight at the barrel end than others. Here probably to compensate the weight of the oversize buttplate that also looks like a recent addition
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Many thanks for the comments. Do you think just changing the buttplate or stock would be a solution to accomplish the same result¿
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Too, the more I think about those >>Lead Bars<< the more I think they accompanied a Charles Daly - H.A. Lindner Sextuple under DRGM 555768 & even Purdey had an equivalent lockup.
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![[Linked Image from img.photobucket.com]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/bgfco/P1020325.jpg) >>Pete, here's the rib your patent refers to. If you press the button, the rib can be pulled toward the muzzle and off of the gun. Daryl<< This wasn't for what I was searching but it is a removable piece. https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=60372&page=7(one page forward) Maybe it was Emil Flues SBT, but German made?? Serbus, Raimey rse
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But the more I dig the more I think the SBT could be an Emil Flues, Krieghoff, Remington or Charles Daly Sextuple???
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Or Ithaca..... >>Ithaca Flues Sousa Grade, circa 1918. Not mine but I know where it is.<< ![[Linked Image from i169.photobucket.com]](http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u237/flintchip/IMG_2553.jpg) Serbus, Raimey rse
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Many thanks for the comments. Do you think just changing the buttplate or stock would be a solution to accomplish the same result¿
Serbus,
Raimey rse Of course one can work on the wood instead. Glueing on a wooden rib is a quick and cheap fix, and it is easily undone. There are some limits to altering the buttstock, it is permanent, and probably will not "look good". Frankly I am appalled by that red buttplate. I think this fits a British rifle but not a Germanic shotgun. And why not dress it down to the buttstock? This certainly changes the balance of the gun. I presume the holes in the forend are for lead weights. I'd rather have glued a strip of lead to the bottom rib, also easily undone.
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I agree wholeheartedly and the general consensus is that the holes are a British Adaptation. I am trying to chase down a thread with a forend with lead bars but the plot thickens for now. But the subject longarm has been passed about with each custodian telling the future custodian, >>Good Luck, Hope You Figure it Out<<...... So as you say, a permanent change that is difficult to undo.
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I do not think the lead bars for the forend were on a William J. Nittler of San Francisco, California modified scattergun nor on one retailed by Kerr Sport Shop of 9584 Wilshire Boulevard in Beverly Hills founded by Alexander H. Kerr in the 1930s. But I wanted to mention them. https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=480428&page=1Serbus, Raimey rse
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![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/ba/0b/ltkyU8xo_t.jpg) Yes, yes, yes it was Mr. Wes Fink's Charles Daly O/U and I had to dig up the hardcopies that Mr. Fink gifted me @ a meeting @ St. Augustine, Fl....... I have my notes & I posted a thread or two here I will dig for.... ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/41/47/EPWeubz2_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/35/28/kS03LrS4_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/40/08/uQaKshWt_t.jpg) >>O.K. you 2 Daly fans who are still following this thread, after just a lovely gathering w/ Mr. Wes. Fink of Dayton, viewing 3 beautiful Daly O/Us, I think "F.A." is to be for Franz Adamy, brother of Albert Adamy, and that the serial number range of 26,XXX is that of Gebrüder Adamy and not that of Richard Schüler. And here's why: I'm away from my notes for a bit but Mr. Fink dug up a NRA publication that noted that Sloan's Sporting Goods purchased S, D, & G in the late 1920s and Gebrüder Adamy made guns for Sloan's Sporting Goods or Sloan's Sporting Goods of Conn. sourced Gebrüder Adamy for some of their examples. The above quoted example and those of Mr. Finks are separated by as few as 20 examples apart and not more than say 500. So we have 3 guns made in the 1931-1932 time period in the 26,000 - 266xx range all with "F.A." either on the left side of the lower tube or on the left side of the barrel flats. Mr. Fink has a most interesting/confusing Regent Diamond Pigeon gun that doesn't have a "F.A." stamp but is within say 50 examples of 1 of the 3 aforementioned "F.A." stamped Daly's so by default, even though I didn't see a "F.A." stamp I still contend that by default that it passed under the watchfull eye of the Boys Adamy before heading to Daly and that Gebrüder Adamy was a major player, possibly along with Richard Schüler who might have been next inline in the early 1930s, in the production of Daly examples. Anyone have any Gebrüder Adamy examples with "F.A." or "A.A." on the tubes or have a handle on the Gebrüder Adamy serial number range? And if memory serves me correct, I think there were several "Sauer Dalys" with a "F.A." stamp on the barrel flats. So did Sauer also sub some of their non-production work to the Boys Adamy? I'm beginning to think that about everyone in Suhl potentially could have put a hammer or a file stroke on about any example sourced from Suhl. "E.K." is present on all, I think, and could be for Emil Klett or Erich Kelber. A tough call for now but the gothic "J" at the end of the stamp "Krupp Lauf Stahl" may narrow the field of families. Wilhelm Kelber's mark is on at least 1.<< https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...mp;Words=fink&Search=true#Post192888Serbus, Raimey rse
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Many thanks & I may just follow this one.
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The fantastic adornment on Mr. Wes Fink's O/U was by the very talented hand of Gottlieb Ortlepp.
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Mr. Fink was keenly interesting in knowing the origin of the top rib of these Money Making Smoke Poles.... ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/2a/ba/GZorRh7y_t.jpg) SBT 1930 ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/c6/e5/YTxzBE2h_t.jpg) Serbus, Raimey rse
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I have blamed Franz Adamy, possibly incorrectly, for applying the >>F.A.<< as he may have just been a business partner of Albert Adamy. So there are a few other F.A. mechanics with Franz Amthor leading the pack.
Fritz Albrecht of Albrechts but I think he & his son Rudolf were more into scope mounts & sights.
Franz Anschütz, Fritz Anschütz, both of Suhl and knowing Franz Adamy was the owner of Undo Anschütz, then there may have been sourcing along family lines????
On another note, August Heinrich Ansorg of Z-M & Otto Anschütz of Z-M were both barrel drawers or tube mechanics.
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