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I received this from my Father before he passed last year and need help with info. I know its a needle-fire rifle, has W. Richards markings on it. Its a British gun. Is it a replica or did < Westley Richards > make these rifles back in the day ? I cant find any info on HIM or the company making this types of rifles. [img] https://imgur.com/a/Ex5nFU5[/img]
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https://www.littlegun.be/arme%20bel...0dumoulin%20francois%20et%20cie%20gb.htmFrançois Dumoulin & Cie >>Rifle or collapsible rifle, according to whether it is striped or not, of type LECLERCQ or called “of poacher” because it could easily be dissimulated in clothing. The key of opening is known as “key snake”. This type of weapon is present in many catalogs of the manufacturers of Liège of the end of the 19th century and at the beginning of 20th. The manufacturer of this one is François DUMOULIN & Co, street Thiers of the fountain, 2 in Liege and which was registered as manufacturer with the proof house of 1908 to 1968.<< https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...Words=poacher&Search=true#Post563134Serbus, Raimey rse
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I am confused.
The name on barrel is Richards
The Markings are British, no?
The firearm appears to be pinfire.
No extractor.
The Belgian catalogues show rimfire designs.
This does look at all similar to me.
Dumb, but learning...Prof Em, BSc(ME), CAE (FYI)
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I did put up 4 different photos.
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It is an original needle-fire (not pin-fire Colonial) rifle similar to those made by Rigby.
Birmingham Proof marks and apparently British made.
The maker or retailer is not Westley Richards, but W. Richards of Liverpool an older firm than Westley Richards.
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As usual, Parabola is exactly right. I owned one of these for several years.
The 84 refers to the bore diameter, so 84 bore equals about .390" from memory. There was no extractor as the paper case was meant to be burned up when fired. Often the needle is broken or too short, burnt and corroded by combustion. They date from about 1850 until about 1870 or so, and longer in Continental Europe.
W. Richards of Liverpool was a big retailer and many of their guns went abroad on the ships leaving Liverpool.
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Wow, Russell! Glad to see you got your photo posting completed! Thanks for posting. And Good luck!
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Oh, yes, yes, yes it is British with an 84 bore. My mistake. I had to login to see the additional fotos.
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