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When it comes to guns, the French copy no one, and no one copies the French. The Petrik, however, would seem to be a rare exception. Having been copied by Remington (Model 32) and then by Krieghoff.

Thanks Graybeard; It's chambered in cm 7.5. In this line we tried to use cm chambers as a date marker. The original time period was put at 1889-1912. However, a review of the guns showed this to be erroneous. The last conclusion was that this period extended from 1889 to 1921-22. A definitive final date marker has yet to be firmly established but surely is no later that 1924.
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Is the 1922 on the barrel a date?

As far as posting pictures on this website, the program does not allow for more than 10 pictures per post. You have to make a second post to add more, or combine several pictures into one.

Can't figure out why my posting time stamp is still set on Moroccan/Mauritanian time?

Gene: have you seen the bottom mark?



The crossed lightning bolts was not used until post-1923



Could it be a V-C date code?

BTW: the single crowned PT indicates standard proof at 850 BAR = 12,328 psi. I assume the 12,090 above is by crushers. The modern CIP max. service pressure would be 780 BAR = 10,733 psi

Good point Dr. Drew, I forgot to take that into account. This certainly narrows the date time for the barrel 1923-1924. Wonder what FAB would say?

You forgot Tikka, Larry.

Best,
Ted

Salut,

Les poinçons du banc d'épreuve de ce fusil sont postérieurs à 1923.
Les éclairs croisés indiquent que ce fusil a été éprouvé en état de livraison.
En 1926, les Etablissements Verney-Carron rachètent un brevet aux Etablissements Faure, pour un fusil à canon fixe et verrouillage de type artillerie. En 1927, il est mis en
production sous la désignation Stopvis.

Merci FAB. Here is a quick translation:

The proof house stamp for this rifle is post-1923. The crossed lightening bolts indicate that the rifle has been proofed in a finished state.

In 1926, the Verney-Carron Company purchased a patent from the Faure Company, for a rifle with a fixed barrel and sliding type locking mechanism. In 1927 it was put into production under the designation "Stopvis."

"1922" is in a totally different font and style from the Saint-Étienne proof mark,

The Saint-Étienne proof mark, the 7.5 cm chamber mark and the 19.5 bore mark appear to be analogous.

The PT proof and the finished gun proof also look similar but may also differ.

This looks to be a barrel made in the early 1920's and proofed by the Saint-Étienne proof house, then reused later and reproofed as a finished gun. But it is really hard to reconcile the stamps.

What do you think? FAB - welcome your observations.

Per an older (2017) copy of the Blue Book, Beretta acquired the import rights for Tikka in 2000. I remember seeing them previously, I think when Stoeger was still importing them. I'm not interested enough in OUs in general to know how much of the original Petrik design was copied by Tikka (outside of the sliding breech hood.)

I just received the latest Cabela's/Bass Pro catalog. Confirmed that Beretta is still importing Tikkas. But not the OUs (assuming they're still being made.)

I believe that what you posted is consistent without the theory of an early barrel. The number 1922 is the serial number. It is stamped on all the major parts. I located around 10 guns listed on various European auction sites and sale houses and they all had 4 digit serial numbers from very low to the mid 4000's. I found previous references for the Stopvis that stated the life of the model was circa 1928 to the early 60's. I collected all of the online V-C catalogs I could locate and purchased a couple of downloads from Cornell press. The earliest was 1935 and the latest was the late 50's. This model (the Canardiere) was only offered in 10 gauge, and only appeared in one available catalog (1939 I believe). It didn't appear in any earlier ones and no postwar ones from 1947 on. I presume production stopped soon after the 1939 catalog due to invasion. This was the only model ever offered in 10 ga. From all this I have to presume the model, and 10 gauge, were only produced a very few years and likely in a very limited number. If you don't make the presumption that the "1922" is a date code instead of a serial number, which I am convinced is not true, I think the markings are totally consistent. My only question about markings was whether the second proof mark meant a finished or unfinished state. The construction of the gun, as opposed to most, would have been very amenable to proofing without the stock.