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Those can’t be real Winchester 21 barrels. We have been assured that Winchester 21 barrels can stand up to any proof test developed by mankind, and are the strongest barrels in the world.
Maybe it is a set of those CSMC barrels. That must be it.
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Clearly an obtructional burst as evidenced by the ring bulge ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Barrel-Evaluations/Barrel-Bursts/i-6z2nNpg/0/NMFVcWbRvRWQcgPspwDvwJbNxpnZ9Qsx9fk42sPQq/M/W21%20burst%201-M.jpg) The high tensile strength of the barrels, and wall thickness at the point of the obstruction, probably explains the generation of enough pressure to split the chopper lumps before bursting ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Barrel-Evaluations/Barrel-Bursts/i-6KLmGBZ/0/NZSNsMZtwN5z7bbp2tjcHx2t2JFFvNVCqRqKshv9C/M/Win21%20burst%202-M.jpg)
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Wait a minute, it's not Damascus?
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Clearly an obtructional burst as evidenced by the ring bulge The high tensile strength of the barrels, and wall thickness at the point of the obstruction, probably explains the generation of enough pressure to split the chopper lumps before bursting Those are dovetail lumps. The Winchester version usually doesn’t look a whole lot better than that out of the box. Photo lifted from Dewey’s website: ![[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]](https://i.ibb.co/9w2DQ6r/IMG-0450.jpg) image hostingBest, Ted
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Winchester marketing verbiage referred to the M21 barrels as being "mechanically interlocked by precision fitting dovetail half lugs on each barrel" and Ted is correct ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Barrel-Evaluations/Winchester/i-2G7k9q6/0/MKjXmqJ9FG3gZvr5CCBx4xDp75krNPfc65J5c5d9w/L/1952%20Model%2021%20ad-L.jpg) IMHO Dewey's example however is not the usual fitting ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Barrel-Evaluations/Winchester/i-ddP5WMq/0/KS7k87pQLQb9Nzsp5c7m73L4rq4nn7n4TMKJcNzPs/M/Model%2021%20dovetail%202-M.jpg) ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Barrel-Evaluations/Winchester/i-KdHsXjf/0/NStZfZSgbFRLV9NBFfLCcJ4t2XRqvLGwgshdVDht9/S/Model%2021%20dovetail%203-S.jpg)
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Dewey comes down pretty hard on the model 21: https://vicknairgunsmithing.blogspot.com/2016/01/an-unbiased-look-at-design-of-american.htmlIt is what it is, to me, and if a guy wants one or some in his collection, more power to him. Just don’t bother me with how strong and reliable they are. Anyone remember the SXS shoot that had about 6 of them with popped ribs? Cured me of that notion. Best, Ted
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Winchester 21 are not magic super guns. Stupid people, doing stupid things can and will break or m ruin them. Even less than stupid things will cause problems. Had a friend who fell in love with 21’s and big beaver tail for ends. Had one put on each of his 21’s. Only problem was he kept having the beaver tail put so much stress on the hanger it would fail. Did this four or five times over three guns before he figured out the beaver tail was causing the issue. His oversized, extra long beaver tail was the real problem. He ended up putting the original for ends back on and later sold them. Problem solved.
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Winchester 21 are not magic super guns. Stupid people, doing stupid things can and will break or m ruin them. Even less than stupid things will cause problems. Had a friend who fell in love with 21’s and big beaver tail for ends. Had one put on each of his 21’s. Only problem was he kept having the beaver tail put so much stress on the hanger it would fail. Did this four or five times over three guns before he figured out the beaver tail was causing the issue. His oversized, extra long beaver tail was the real problem. He ended up putting the original for ends back on and later sold them. Problem solved. Expensive schooling.
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