Bad too in the U.K. Side by side 12 bore box lock non-ejectors hardly fetch anything anymore. Most youngsters going to a shooting school are given something like a Beretta 20 bore O/U to try and think that's the only gun. Suits me from a collecting point of view as I collect certain Makers' guns and early patents. As for split cane rods they go for peanuts too. I have a Hardy split cane rod picked up for £10 and only last week picked up a split cane rod, also for £10, in its bag marked Westley Richards; apparently they had them made by Hardy's. Next time I go to Alnwick in Northumberland I will go to the Hardy Museum there and see if I can find out anything more about it. Lagopus.....