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Gun is serial number 508 on bottom plate and trigger guard. Still tight. Has .729 bores, 2 3/4” chambers,long forcing cones and briley thin wall chokes.

Yeah, 58mm is quite close to the 56mm/2.2" that was touted in adverts. Does it have a menacing muzzle?

With the source load that Schoverling, Daly & Gales could kraal, Lindner & his 3-4 apprentices were quite overloaded & outside their abilities. So Lindner outsourced and was pretty much a last stroke guy and applied his Quality Control Seal of Approval, which was somewhat typical in a Cottage Industry. Such an Industry, where one would have to herd cats on larger contracts like the Military is what drove the Military to establish arsenals in Berlin & Erfurt instead of dealing with hundreds of Cottage Industry Gunsmiths. Also, local gunsmiths really didn't want to acknowledge anything about Lindner and disparagingly referred to Lindner as a >>Rucksack Büchsenmacher<<, being envious of his money making venture w/ S,D&G. It has been stated that a lot of Lindner's heavy lifting was done @ Schilling & Triebel and this may be so. But it seems that rather Sauer could be a more practical source of the heavy lifting along with Triebel components. Lindner was ferry guns & parts in his rucksack from sourcing point to sourcing point.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Naw no menacing muzzle, probably lost when sleeved. Is much lighter without the pad. Has 14.25 in of wood lop, will just put a thin basket weave horn plate on and enjoy 6lbs 10oz and fulcrum 1/2” in front of hinge pin. Felt perfect that way!

I may have missed it, but what was the tube length?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

28” was lucky and found couple extra briley first series tubes for barrels. Sleeving was done so well and not marked “sleeved”makes me think someone homegrown did the work. Forcing cones are long and briley tubes. Who ever soldered these in was a real pro.

But information on H.A. Lindner is most difficult to mine as he was detested by inland / local mechanics as they were just so envious of his contract w/ Daly & the Amerikanisch market. It is sort of like he info was wiped from history by locals, but that really isn't the case, he just didn't really have any product outlets less the Daly & the American market. H.A. Linndner perfekted the A&D Body Action w/ Belts & Braces and if you ever have the cover off, pleasure us w/ the well polished components. As I have stated prior, H.A. had an expansion in circa 1905 and then on Nov. 10th 1911 signed on w/ the Suhl Manufacturers Association in hopes of Ernst taking the reins but that wasn't to be so as in 3 short years he fell in fierce fighting w/ the Brits @ Bellewaarde and the Daly Dynasty was devastated beyond all expectations. Lindner with his Quality Seal of Approval guaranteed that his products were made in British fashion and on par or above anything originating in the Little British Isles.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Does the 508 serial number line up with the Hal marked guns of 1893 or does Mr. Georgi have that number accounted for yet?

It could well fit in the 2nd Series and I have no idea on Georgi's/Petrov's list. There's a couple threads I will have to wade thru to see what might be out.....

What hurts is the lack of HAL over Crossed Sidearms or less likely Crown over Crossed Sidearms. But that info, if any, was unfortunately lost in the sleeving effort.

Just off the cuff, the change over was circa 1892, so could easily be.....


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Here is another with no Hal very similar to this one.
https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...99--damascus-finsih.cfm?gun_id=101005060

Fantastic find on that one too..... Same Bat Time & Same Bat Channel. Single Vorrats on Flats & Water-Table puts it @ the exact same point in time. The retailer is depending on the VCS monogram on the buttplate to ID the longarm. So it puts a little credence in Schilling's column. It could well be a Sister to the Meffert.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse