Si senor. I agree, American 6s would have been a help I think. Pattern density would be increased significantly with sufficient energy at 60 yards to kill. 4s work great on crows with a 12 and 1 1/8 oz. but a 16gram pattern of 4s at 60 yds. would be pretty sparse out of 1/2 choke, I would expect. That's not but about 70 pellets.
Perhaps 6.5 shot would be the optimum payload in a .410 for game, only nobody loads it as yet.
I don't think I'd favor 6 1/2 over 7 1/2 or 8 for doves and quail. That's the largest game birds for which I typically use a .410. 7 1/2 to 8 1/2 works great at the distances I limit my gamebird shooting to. If I were to use a .410 on larger birds I'd certainly like to try some 6 1/2s, if they could be found.
My favorite load as of now is a handloaded .73 oz. payload of nickel plated 8.5s, in a roll crimped 3" Cheddite hull, at about 1150 fps. It's a sledgehammer.
FWIW, my best .410 dove results have come with 1/2 oz of hard 8s at about 1300, out of a full choke Model 42. It has been amazingly good on Eurasian Collared Doves, which are about the size of pigeons. That combo even works late season, unless it's windy.
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Perhaps 6.5 shot would be the optimum payload in a .410 for game, only nobody loads it as yet.
If I were to use a .410 on larger birds I'd certainly like to try some 6 1/2s, if they could be found.
Stan, keep in mind that these are British cartridges and their size 6 shot would roughly equate a a US 6.67 shot size. The British size 4 in the video is roughly our size 5.
Whether it's a #4 or a #5 in a .410 load, at "high pheasant" ranges, a pigeon could fly through the holes in the pattern without being hit by one pellet.
FWIW, my best .410 dove results have come with 1/2 oz of hard 8s at about 1300, out of a full choke Model 42. It has been amazingly good on Eurasian Collared Doves, which are about the size of pigeons. That combo even works late season, unless it's windy.
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I can see how that would work fine in a OBG (one barrel gun). However, I doubt it would regulate in any of my S x S .410s.
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