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Actually, the term 16 and 8 are not strictly true. Only the visible part transitions to what I called 16 and 8. The area covered by the fore end remains octagon shaped up to the wedding ring. The top is section only is a 16 side profile, I suspect as a narrowing visual aid to alignment. You can see this if you look at the third picture at the top of the post.

I don't have a picture of the entire transition handy, but here is one that shows most of it. The actual top of the barrel one of the narrow sections. At the very right you can see the area at the end transition. It appears to be a simple flat circular cut that took the 8 corner down to a 16 corner, basically cutting the octagon corners into 16 sides with a radiused cove on each corner. Hope this isn't too confusing.



While I am at it, I will attach the last 4 pictures in the separate post to this thread. There is apparently a 10 picture limit in one single post.

Not confusing at all, AGS. I can see what you meant now. Thanks.

I wish I could design myself a single shot .410, snap my fingers and have it. I have never seen one like what i would want. One that SKB hooked me up to was very, very close. It was at an auction in GB, but I wasn't outbid by a Brit. Some off the cuff comment was made about how it shouldn't have left the British Isles anyway, which i thought was uncalled for. But, it is what it is.


Thanks again for the pics.

There have been several really nice high end single shot break action rifles built in the last 20 or thirty years. Almost any of them with a .410 barrel would be hard to pass up. Extra barrels in shotgun gauges seem to seldom be available and when they are they are not 410's. One interesting idea would be to find a deal on a well priced on in a small bore and have it rebored and modified as a custom. I own a couple of Luxus guns (the Ohio gun, not the Blaser) and they generally are available at a reasonable. That would be a good target for a custom.

Stan,

I am sorry that you were caused upset by a remark that British guns should stay in Britain.

I used to regret the export of our firearms heritage, but I am now of a different view.

Had I hung to the .500 Edwinson Green BPE that I was fortunate to be custodian of for a few years, it would have done nothing more than punch holes in paper targets.

I sold it at Holt’s and it went to a British Hunter and collector. He later sold his collection at Rock Island Auctions so it is probably still on your side of the pond.

It may be languishing in a collector’s cabinet, but there is at least a hope that someone like Shrapnel is using it for its intended purpose (although probably not for Tiger).

It is not as if we are in danger of running out of old guns in this country.

Anyone who wants a respectable old British gun at an attractive price does not have very far to look.

Unfortunately we are not very good at preserving our firearms heritage. The Regimental Museum that was obliged to deactivate a First World War officer’s private rifle, that had been used for sniping, is an example that springs to mind.

Thank you, Parabola. I appreciate that. But, it's water over the dam. I don't even remember who it was that made the comment. There's more fish in the sea.

Wish I could remember the make of that .410, but I had not begun keeping a daily journal at that time. I now do and try to make notes about little incidentals such as that.

The journal is a great idea, Stan. I think I will start a journal of neat guns I find. Let's see, I will be 80 in ten months.

I do not know about a journal, but I do keep records about guns I bought. When, where, price, family connections if any, known history of the gun. That type of information. I spent many hours trying to get our family photos identified and dated to when they were taken, who is in them and the houses in the background. Sadly many old photos are just family members or people I just can not identify. Too many cousins look alike and many deceased people left few heirs to ask for information.

My guns tell a different story as I have just about a complete history of every family gun in my possession. Many are tied to photos of the previous owners and some show them with the gun in question. A 1911 came back from WWI with one grandfather and a Luger came back from WWII from an uncle. Doubles used by both grandfathers hunting and other guns used by friends and family over the years. I like the family connections and hope to keep them intact for the next generation. What they do with the information I can not predict but I passed it on in good shape for anyone who is interested.

I had the thought many years ago that I would have appreciated so much my grandfathers having kept a journal, especially a hunting journal, and passing it on for heirs to read. So, I began a hunting journal in which I write a description of every hunt, good or bad, and the details. I also include hunting licenses, duck stamps, etc. I expanded that idea later to include writing down daily things of note or interest in a calendar book that has a large "square" for such on each date. Some days I write nothing. On others the "square" is hardly large enough. I have found the latter to be invaluable to me in my work as well.

Writing up a days shooting in a game book is an old practice in the UK and one I have done since I started shooting as an eleven year old boy. I am now on my third game book. When he died I inherited my father's two game books. It is a great joy to flick through the pages and to recall good days shooting.

My first shotgun as a boy was a single barrel .410 hammer, made by AYA and bought new for me by my father. It remains in the family. More recently I was so taken with a lovely little ex rook rifle by Lang & Hussey, converted to .410, c.1896, that I bought it at auction. Unusually it is a top lever hammer and feels like a wonderful wee wand in the hands. It has just been lightly refurbished and serviced by Atkin, Grant & Lang and I need to go and collect it. In an effort to return it to as near original condition as possible, I need to find an appropriate rear sight to replace the rather crudely applied infill. Anyone have one lying around, I wonder?

Tim

Not to hijack this thread but it might be of interest. John Hosford, a very talented machinist, has bored out a hammer rifle he acquired and made it into a hammer 410 SxS. Remarkably it has good weight and balance and functions flawlessly. John is well know in Mich and attends a lot of the SxS shoots.