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Yes just 4” of evaporust for testing.

I'm not sure that this link works but I have an Enos James 12g BLE from about 1910 which does indeed have sleeved steel barrels on a damascus breech.
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Now I've put my glasses on I see that you were referring to damascus barrels sleeved to a damascus breech. My mistake.

Rust was superficial, all wiped off with ballistol? Metal finish looks pretty nice as is.



Bernard twist barrel’s look great no real pitting outside with fresh looking plumb brown finish.
Barrels marked #2 with Guyot and address on top. Action flats marked with a number 1 but both have same serial number?
Chambers just shy of 2.75” bores both measure .680 chokes are .004 and .032
Bores are prestine so honed.
End of chamber thickness 114 on both, 9 inch from breach both .045, 6 in from muzzle .024 .025
Barrels are tight on action but can see sliver of light at breach when closed.
What do you think the bores would have been before honing? My other bernards were marked over 17.2 from factory .677?
Metal will just be cleaned but wood will get refinished.
What pressure 16ga shells were used in 1881?
Any thoughts?

I can't help with the pressure question but that gun sure cleaned up well. Looks great.

Some early Belgian 16s are marked 16.8 = .661". Later up to 17.0 = .669"

This is from 1892 and note the 16g loads are 2 3/4 Dram Eq. and you need to add 10 - 14% for transducer numbers. The Belgian black powder standard was also 2 3/4 Dram but Smokeless loads were mostly 2 1/2 Dr. Eq.



1 oz. 2 1/2 Dr. Eq. Bulk Smokeless loads ran about 7,500 psi

Thanks doc after gun maker puts barrels exactly on face I will just shoot sub 5000 psi loads in it. I have a set of 16ga x28ga tubes if I get nervous. Man they ring as good as any barrels I have tried! I found 3 sets of Bernard barrels(on internet) 2 were pin fires,with 17.2 mm marks and they ranged from .675- .680 not counting these. Hopefully they started life around .675, but measurements look safe enough for black powder pressure levels.

Guns action is labeled number 1 with serial number 215 but barrel and forend are both labeled number 2 with 215? Did french pairs share the same serial number? Inletting is amazing.

I wouldn't say so but who knows. I wonder if the pair were so similar in dimensions that someone actually put the tubeset & forend on the other frame?

How does the safety read on both of your latest acquisitions?

Do it is important to understand that mechanics just didn't put bona fide L. Bernard tubesets on just any platform. Best of the Best outside of H.A. Lindner of course.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Even though those are Bar-In-Wood Locks, they are spectacular.


Looking @ the inletting, I would hazard a guess that they components of the pair were interchangeable.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse