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#194109 06/30/10 04:35 PM
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Owner of 03 Springfield[for50 yrs] customized by A O Niedner, Malden, MA.22LR single shot, Winchester barrel[1879] military stock, Greatly admired at my Club and by myself. Correctly maintained in the excellent condition at the time of my purchase. The thing is that I would like to know more about Niedner's Malden years and the rifle.

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Welcome, This is the place for help, pics and details are what is needed.

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Scot, Welcome to the forum.

We need pictures and information in order to help you. What is the action serial number,and is there a date on the underside of the barrel?

Does it look like this one?



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Yes it looks like the picture. I have read FAQ on sending pictures but it seems to be written in greek and beyond my skills in any event. Delighted to email photos to any and all. I did email photos to M. Petrov yesterday as I recognized his name from a book I have. Hope you received them and if not, will try again. Thanks to all.scot

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No pictures yet...mjpetrov@acsalaska.net


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Published 2002
The Niedner-Springfield 1903 .22LR

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Michael Petrov ©

In 1914 when Adolph O. Niedner was located in Malden, Massachusetts he and his friend Orris E. Gerrish came up with the idea of a .22 caliber Springfield rifle. There were many shooters who shot the 1903 Springfield .30-06 Service rifle and would have liked to shoot in the off season indoors with a rifle of the same type, the only difference being the caliber. This was certainly not a new idea. The Springfield Armory introduced the “Hoffer-Thompson” in 1907 and made them until 1918. This was a 1903 Springfield with a caliber .22 barrel that used steel holders which looked like a 30-06 cartridge that incorporated a chamber and firing pin for the .22 short cartridge.

Niedner’s conversion consisted of a “V” trough held in place by four screws, two screws through the left side of the receiver and two into the right raceway. The bolt is a two-piece bolt that has a non-rotating front “V” section with the original safety lug now acting as the locking lug. A stud on the side of the bolt that stops against the magazine cutoff controls the length of bolt travel. With the cutoff in the middle position the bolt can be removed just as in the normal 1903 Springfield. The barrels for these conversions were made by Niedner and have a Niedner chamber with a fourteen-inch twist. The cocking head is removed from the bolt and the sear has several holes drilled in it so as to lighten the striker and speed up lock time. All that I have data on are chambered for the .22 long-rifle cartridge.





These rifles were never meant for the military, although when one of them does come up for sale they are sometimes advertised this way. Most went to members of the Boston Rifle and Revolver Club. I am not sure how many of these conversions were made. I have catalogued ten and have reference to maybe four more and would guess that no more than twenty of these conversions were made.

Most that I have information on are single shots but Niedner did make at least two with a five-shot magazine. This is a slick operating rifle. You just drop the cartridge in the trough, close the bolt and fire. Extraction and ejection are flawless.

Many of the rifles still have the Niedner barrel. It will be marked on the bottom of the barrel with the Niedner barrel number and the date. The two rifles pictures are marked 245 12-1916 and 251 5-1917. The top of the barrel as well as the tops of the bolts and right sides of the “V” trough are marked in two lines with his standard Malden marking.

A. O. NIEDNER
MALDEN, MASS.

These rifles were originally fitted with the Mann-Niedner tapered dovetail bases and scopes with Mann-Niedner mounts. Most of these mounts have been changed to modern mounts (Unertl & Fecker), however the last rifle that I know of that sold at auction last year still had a Mann-Niedner mounted scope on it.

For eighty-five year old rifles, they still do the job they were made for. As with any .22 rimfire target rifle you have to take the time to find out what kind of ammunition it likes, so I tried several different brands. All my testing was outdoors, bench rest at 50 yards with a scope. The more expensive ammo made by Eley and RWS performed poorly while CCI Green-tag and of all things Winchester T-22 did about as good as I could have hoped for.

I have never seen one of these modified Springfields that was made at the Niedner Rifle Corporation in Dowagiac, Michigan. With the introduction of the Springfield model 1922 in caliber .22 LR there was little need for the more expensive custom conversion. It is interesting that Niedner charged $35 in 1916 and $40 in 1918 for the conversion. In an ad in Arms and the Man for November 1, 1920 there is a used one for sale for $60 and in June 1, 1920 there is one with a scope for $150. That’s a lot of money for a .22 target rifle in 1920.

The un-dated picture showing the shooters of the Boston Rifle and Revolver Club show Gibbons, Gerrish and Niedner using the Niedner-Springfields. The gentleman to Niedner’s right-rear is Souther the Boston scope maker. Many other members pictured were nationally known pistols shooters. The scope on Mr. Niedner’s rifle is a custom one made for him by John W. Sidle of Philadelphia.

Over the years a few of these rifles have been converted into sporters and the Niedner barrels have been replaced. Mr. Niedner replaced the barrel on his rifle when he was at Dowagiac and had it restocked by Tom Shelhamer.

I have copies of Mr. Niedner’s shop books for most of his years in Malden, Massachusetts. Many of the 1903-.22’s are listed and if you have one I would be happy to try to find the entry for you. The shop books show the date, all the work that was done and the name of the person who had the work done as well as the price that was charged.

The Boston Rifle and Revolver Club was a nationally known club. The member’s pictures were featured in ammunition company’s ads of the day such as United States Cartridge Company. They used the best equipment possible, and for some that meant a rifle made by their teammate A.O. Niedner.










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Nice to see it still has the Mann-Niedner scope blocks, were you lucky enough to get the scope?

If you can share the serial number and if it has a date on the underside of the barrel I will try to look it up for you in the shop books.


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Bumped to top because of relevance to Dan’s 25 Niedner thread, Michael wrote that he had copies of the shop books from the Niedner Malden years. I wonder what light they could shed on Dan’s rifle. Does anyone know where they ended up?

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Originally Posted by PhysDoc
Bumped to top because of relevance to Dan’s 25 Niedner thread, Michael wrote that he had copies of the shop books from the Niedner Malden years. I wonder what light they could shed on Dan’s rifle. Does anyone know where they ended up?

Joe Dobryzinski handled Michael's estate and should be able to tell you where the records went? It's possible they ended up in the ASSRA archives maybe?

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