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![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/cf/1d/9DrC0inw_t.jpg) Ferlach Nitro Stamp. Hochachtungsvoll, Raimey rse
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Thank you ,great! So , 31-is a gunmaker code , 25-yaer of the proof, 15.5 - shotgun barrel and 7,2 rifle. Now I understand those codes. I couldn't find much information about Michael Pegam, but his work seems to be pretty neat. Is it possible that shotgun chamber is of 70mm length, in 1928? Or is it 20/65? Shouldn't be calibers marked in different way in 1928, or for austrians it wasn't mandatory? Compare with German proof houses? What do you think?
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Now there weren't any Ferlach Maker Codes just yet as the 2nd Major Disagreement hadn't started nor ended. The Brit's issued Maker Codes on some basis & I had been told it was House Numbers, but that may or may not be the origin.
I don't think the Austrian's had a proof rules change but the Bohemians had or were in the process. The Austrian's didn't have bona fide German oversight until the Sudetenland was annexed in 1938. The Borovlje Mechanics of Kärnten had a long history of proof and held to that until the Germans commandeered the Sudetenland to >>Help them Supervise their Affairs<<. Austrians and German mechanics had different measuring techniques.
Just like the Hammer Jones Underlever Platform w/ flash deflectors, and most times a metal buttplate to bludgeon quarry, the Austrian held tight to their roots and didn't embrace change or new fangled ideas quickly. So, 65mm as the norm for the most part until the end of the British Period(1945 - Okotber 25th, 1955) and orders were pouring in for 1953 or before.
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Regarding the Bohemians, after the 1st Major Disagreement in Europe, the Austro-Hungarian Empire faltered & collapsed and Czech stumbled their own way & for the most part they retained the Old Austro-Hungarian rules, based on the Borovlje Mechanics of course, with some changes in the 1920s. I think the migration to new rules is somewhat blurry for all until the 1930s.
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I have pondered on the interesting >>CS<< initials & I am not a ware of any Borovlje Mechanic with such and I think it to be Christian Schilling, who was more than likely associated w/ the Schillingschmiede in Suhl. Or, with equal probability, it could be for Suhl mechanic Casper/Kasper Schlegelmilch, who was a bona fide tubeset knitter/Rohrschlosser. I will have to dig a bit on either.
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From fotos, there looks to be additional initials near the >>8.2<< mm stamp, but it could just be scratches.
Are there any marks on the water-table or standing breech?
Borovlje/Ferlach tradeguns are most difficult to ID just due to the absence of visible marks.
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Here are a few references on Kasper Schlegelmich: >>Casper Schlegelmilch (B) Trading in Suhl in 1914-20 as a specialist gun barrel maker, under the ownership of Enst Wilhelm Schlegelmilch<< https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...;Words=casper&Search=true#Post658629>>Now there was also a Hermann Schlegelmilch of Suhl who was a gun stocker prior to WWII and might have been the same person or a son or father. The Schlegelmilch folk were very competent weapons makers. Casper was a specialist gun barrel maker while Franz was a barrel blank maker possilby all funded by Ernst Wilhelm Schlegelmilch who possibly purchased components from Sauer or had Sauer to make longarms and roll stamp his name on them. There were a couple more Schlegelmilch folk with Reinhard Schlegelmilch being a stocker. Any relationship between "H.S." and Hermann Schlegelmilch is pure conjecture on my part but we have the initals on the guns and the gunsmith names in the directories. If you handed me the longarm and gave me a very finite amount to time to make the call: with the Krupp steel on the tubes and the "H.S." I would say it was a joint venture of Sauer & Schlegelmilch and a firearms merchant/gunsmith in Bohemia......<< https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...;Words=casper&Search=true#Post117849Hochachtungsvoll, , Raimey rse
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