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I have been fortunate to pickup a Kombo by Michael Pegam from 1950 and retailed by GECO. Somehow the Austrian Makers were out of the gate early with weapons production & GECO was eager to fill inland orders. Michael Pegam passed this life in 1947 and his widow continued the business until @ least 1953, when arms production was allowed. Interesting how mass production was not allowed but GECO could still place orders with Ferlacher mechanics.








60.5 cm tubes chambered in 7X57R(11,2 gramme bullet) and 16 Bore. I seem to really find favour in these short tubes and dainty little platforms.


Bayerische Backe, Bavarian style stock. Does the forend chequering and that of the stock seem to pair?







Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Again, a dainty little platform with a frame w/ a Single Kersten Lockup. Bushed & Disk Set Strikers and for some reason the foto depicts what looks to be issues with the top striker set but that is just not the case.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

What a great find! Just from glancing at the pictures, maybe the forend checkering was refreshed vs. a different style? Hard to see.

I'm assuming disked strikers are not often seen in combo guns, is that correct? I haven't looked closely at very many, but have never seen that outside of higher-end shotguns and double rifles.

Thanks for sharing!

Well, this was made during the >>British Period<< in Ferlach under British Occupation so I just am not sure what the norm would have been. I will take a few more fotos as I am most curious. I just do not think that GECO did a restock and the scope & feet are a little odd. The Bayerische Backe / Bavarian style stock is typically for better target acquisition with iron sights and the one leaf is stamped >>200<<.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

The head of the stock is just a little proud @ the frame.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
Do you have enough cases to get you by?
Mike

Thanks Ford, but indeed I do have some cases as I have a couple of these platforms in 7X57R(60cm or less; for 60cm + - 7X65R). Have you converted some cases @ one point. What I would like is a source for 9 gramme bullets as well as 11,2 gramme bullets.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Raimey:

"The Bayerische Backe / Bavarian style stock"

to be exactly: Bayrische Backe mit Doppelfalz - a more exquisite version....

Waihei,
Wolfgang

Thanks as always......

Serbus,


Raimey
rse

Many stock makers prefer Bayerische Backe to the German Backe; not for technical reasons, but because it is easier to cut the rear part and yet it is often an extra cost option (they are cut with a draw knife after roughing out with a straight bandsaw cut, much faster and easier than gouges, chisels, and rasps/files).

Raimey,
I didn't worry about bringing many 7mm bullets back because American 175 grain round nose bullets work perfectly for 11.2 grams. I brought back a few H mantel copper hollow points because I have a 7x57R sighted for it. Recently I acquired a 7x65R that was also sighted for the same bullet, so I should have brought more back but I concentrated more on harder to find bullets. I haven't converted any 7x57R or 7x65R because I was able to buy once fired brass from Heym at scrap price and Walter let me pick through his fired cases at no cost. I would use 7x65R or 9.3x74R to make other cases by preference because 7x57R is based on the slightly larger M93 case head and is harder to make the other x57 cases from it. It is easy to convert the other x57R cases to 7x57R (5.6 and 6,5 cases may be shorter after expanding, however). My cousin got an 11x65R double barrel and we were not able to convert 7x65R to that caliber because too many necks split in expanding. We were successful with 9.3x74R but it took several fireforming loads and annealing's to straighten the cases out. Once finished, they work and look great.
Mike

I pulled off a couple rounds at 100 paces this afternoon and it actually is a joy to shoot. Am on the cusp of attempting a reloading effort should I ignited a few more cases. Haven't chosen a powder just yet. More than likely just hold w/ VV N140.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Anyone fancy a few fotos of the internals of a 1950 Blitz Ferlacher???

The scattergun trigger pull is just horrid & I had intended on stoning the scear. But on a Blitz it just may be a bit more involved.

Empirically, it seems that for disassembly it is best to have the locks out of battery and then in battery for re-assembly? I could easily be wrong.

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Just from a foto, does the nose of each scear seem too vastly different?

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

I for one found it interesting how the right hammer was designed to accommodate the spindle upon impact.





You can see the end of the two strikers and get an idea of the angle to which it mates with the primer. Too, this one has an automatic safety(which I detest) that can easily be removed.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

So everyone is mum or tight-lipped on the subject of the Blitzschloß¿ I realize the Blitzschloß is quite complicated due to its construction and maybe the scears are harder than hammered Hell. An error could lead to doubling.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Hello, could you be so kind and help me with identification of this ferlach cape gun? Ferlach proof 1663.28 (1928) , could be Michael's Pegam work, numbers between barrels 31.25.15.5.7.2.
Caliber markings 15.3 shotgun and 8.2 rifle barrel, plus letters SO.
I'm not sure if the gun was only proofed in 1928 and made much early,or it was unfinished gun. Markings look like pre 1912 at least,and action,locking even older.but I saw similar gun at auction from Pegam from 1928 and action was same with even older stock style.I will upload few more photos. Have not idea about rifle caliber,maybe 8,35x57r/360? Or maybe 8,2x50, or if it's 1928 8,2x72? No nitro makings,no even length of the 20bore.. Thank you

Lovely Hammer Ferlacher, a holdover from the past. Hunters were really slow to embrace new fangled platforms. Interesting the 1st past was in 1925 with 7.2mm and 15.5 mm diameters and then on the final pass in 1928 the diameters were 15.3 mm and 8.2 mm. I would guess the chambering to be 8X57R/360? I really like the Harvey - Viennese Forend Latch.

I don't know that I have see the large >>CS<< initials before. The tubeset should weight right @ 1608 grammes.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Ferlach Nitro Stamp.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Thank you ,great! So , 31-is a gunmaker code , 25-yaer of the proof, 15.5 - shotgun barrel and 7,2 rifle. Now I understand those codes. I couldn't find much information about Michael Pegam, but his work seems to be pretty neat. Is it possible that shotgun chamber is of 70mm length, in 1928? Or is it 20/65? Shouldn't be calibers marked in different way in 1928, or for austrians it wasn't mandatory? Compare with German proof houses? What do you think?

Now there weren't any Ferlach Maker Codes just yet as the 2nd Major Disagreement hadn't started nor ended. The Brit's issued Maker Codes on some basis & I had been told it was House Numbers, but that may or may not be the origin.

I don't think the Austrian's had a proof rules change but the Bohemians had or were in the process. The Austrian's didn't have bona fide German oversight until the Sudetenland was annexed in 1938. The Borovlje Mechanics of Kärnten had a long history of proof and held to that until the Germans commandeered the Sudetenland to >>Help them Supervise their Affairs<<. Austrians and German mechanics had different measuring techniques.

Just like the Hammer Jones Underlever Platform w/ flash deflectors, and most times a metal buttplate to bludgeon quarry, the Austrian held tight to their roots and didn't embrace change or new fangled ideas quickly. So, 65mm as the norm for the most part until the end of the British Period(1945 - Okotber 25th, 1955) and orders were pouring in for 1953 or before.

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Regarding the Bohemians, after the 1st Major Disagreement in Europe, the Austro-Hungarian Empire faltered & collapsed and Czech stumbled their own way & for the most part they retained the Old Austro-Hungarian rules, based on the Borovlje Mechanics of course, with some changes in the 1920s. I think the migration to new rules is somewhat blurry for all until the 1930s.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

I have pondered on the interesting >>CS<< initials & I am not a ware of any Borovlje Mechanic with such and I think it to be Christian Schilling, who was more than likely associated w/ the Schillingschmiede in Suhl. Or, with equal probability, it could be for Suhl mechanic Casper/Kasper Schlegelmilch, who was a bona fide tubeset knitter/Rohrschlosser. I will have to dig a bit on either.


Hochachtungsvoll,
,
Raimey
rse

From fotos, there looks to be additional initials near the >>8.2<< mm stamp, but it could just be scratches.

Are there any marks on the water-table or standing breech?

Borovlje/Ferlach tradeguns are most difficult to ID just due to the absence of visible marks.


Hochachtungsvoll,
,
Raimey
rse

Here are a few references on Kasper Schlegelmich:

>>Casper Schlegelmilch (B) Trading in Suhl in 1914-20 as a specialist gun barrel maker, under the ownership of Enst Wilhelm Schlegelmilch<<

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...;Words=casper&Search=true#Post658629

>>Now there was also a Hermann Schlegelmilch of Suhl who was a gun stocker prior to WWII and might have been the same person or a son or father. The Schlegelmilch folk were very competent weapons makers. Casper was a specialist gun barrel maker while Franz was a barrel blank maker possilby all funded by Ernst Wilhelm Schlegelmilch who possibly purchased components from Sauer or had Sauer to make longarms and roll stamp his name on them. There were a couple more Schlegelmilch folk with Reinhard Schlegelmilch being a stocker. Any relationship between "H.S." and Hermann Schlegelmilch is pure conjecture on my part but we have the initals on the guns and the gunsmith names in the directories. If you handed me the longarm and gave me a very finite amount to time to make the call: with the Krupp steel on the tubes and the "H.S." I would say it was a joint venture of Sauer & Schlegelmilch and a firearms merchant/gunsmith in Bohemia......<<

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...;Words=casper&Search=true#Post117849


Hochachtungsvoll,
,
Raimey
rse