doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion German & Austrian Sporting Guns @ doublegunshop.com **UPDATE** An 11.2x72 Schuler joins the family

Another 11.2x72 Schuler cal rifle joins the family. This is my 3rd rifle in this caliber.

This was posted for sale about a year ago in a classified forum. I can't believe it didn't sell... lucky me !

The posting included the following information.

"...I picked this up last week to help a friend out ... and I really have no use for it. I thought I would post it on here to see if anyone had any interest.The makers name is on the pic of the rib.It has a 24" octagon to round full ribbed barrel and the LOP is 14 3/8" to front of the double set trigger and weighs under 8.5 lb.Most questions can be answered by the pics. Brass dies and a bullet sizer .450 to .440 is included. ..."

information from others added this ...

"... Perhaps "FR. TENHAEFF UTRECHT" (found on the rib) is actually a small retail sporting good shop that had their name added and sold this rifle. ..."

As in the past, if anyone can help to interpret the makings and the maker and year of production, it would be greatly appreciated.

http://www.buckstix.com/buckpics/11.2x72-000.jpg


http://www.buckstix.com/buckpics/11.2x72-0000.jpg

There looks to be a set of marks on the left side of the tube just forward of the receiver, which may be the bullet weight. But odd that a mm stamped Suhl made rifle doesn't have the bullet weight. Interesting >>U<< on the top of the frame. Too, interesting double witness marks. Also interesting is the rear sight?

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

I have no idea on the H; maybe Hengelhaupt Klan, like Herman, Peter, Richard, Willi, etc. who were specialist for all types of tubes. But they were outo of Zella Sankt Blasii - Mehlis.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

The stamps on the left side of the barrel forward of the receiver is "560" - that number doesn't match up with any other numbers. Perhaps a serial number or item number from the retailer. As to the rear sight, its absolutely original from when the rifle was built. I have several other pre-war German Mausers that have have original Lyman rear sites. I also have several pre-war German catalogs that show Lyman rear sight and Lyman Scope options. Also, the stock wood cut for the rear sight clearance has "age-period-patina" just like the rest of the stock's woodwork. It is also interesting that the rear sight filler block on the barrel is original and not later added. And finally, there is a small radius cut in the Lyman sight's base block to allow clearance for use of a stripper clip. You can see this in the 4th and 10th pictures.

The "U" on top of the receiver is not a Definitive Proof mark as stated in the note shown in the photos. The rifle was made with a leaf rear sight on the barrel which was removed and the dovetail filled. I suspect the matted top of the receiver is to cover up a filler for another dovetail cut for a claw mount front base. In this case the "U" may be the marke of the maker (UTRECHT?), retailer, engraver, or something else altogether. A bring back rifle with a dovetailed base for a missing scope is pretty common and filling the dovetail is also a pretty common way to address the problem. I have filled a couple, myself. The addition of a peep sight would also be a common period, American, solution. This is all only supposition to explain the unusual "U" on the receiver.
Mike

There is absolutely no evidence of a front receiver cut for a claw mount. And no evidence of any alteration of a corresponding rear claw mount base. The rear sight filler block is also period German and not a later U.S. addition. Here are two examples of German rifles in my collection that also had original Lyman rear sights - added by the factory at the time of manufacture.

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=645776&page=1
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...r=643075&Searchpage=1&Main=28089

It must have been made circa 1909-1910 as it has transitional type stamps. There is the diameter in mm along with a service powder charge of 4,7 grammes of Military Flake.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

I have stared @ this German text for some time & I just do not think a German Mechanic would scribe >>PRIMA FUSS STAHL<< on a tube?

Prime Foot Steel must pair nicely with the claw mount bases that accept feet(füsse)? So maybe „Prima Füsse Stahl“???? No, I am just joking....

Raimey
rse

Too, the >>L<< on STAHL just doesn't look proper and not anal nor pedantic enough to be typical German effort? Too, the >>S<< seems to be a bit out of place?

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Is a jeweled(adorned) bolt typical for the period?


Hochachtungsvoll,

Serbus,

Raimey
rse