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Just to clarify, you are indeed a Francophile & believe that the Central Meridian runs thru Paris?

Unfortunately I did not hunt in Germany last season. But I can tell you that European Families of dearly departed Hunters want nothing to do with the guns; beg dealers to take them. The kids all want >>Black Guns<< with a suppressor a foot long or longer. Or they take a vintage type platform and stick a can on it.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

An old forester's wife died, and all dressed up, he rode his bicycle to her funeral with his drilling across his back. When the Priest asked why he brought the drilling, he answered " you never know when a fox might come by".
Mike

To clarify, for many seasons I bird hunted with a single type of French firearm. Physical limitations have limited my ability to do so of late, as I have had to switch to a right handed stance, instead of the opposite side that I shot on for 50 plus years.

I have hopes to use a little French gun in the future, again, but, that is all they are at this point. The muscle memory from 5 decades of carrying a specific type of bird gun has, incredibly, almost made it necessary to switch to a different action of gun in order to remember to keep the gun in the right hand while hunting. There is much about the process that is difficult to overcome, at least, for me.

I’ve never been to Paris. I’ll never return to France.

My dealings in France kept me in Lyon, and St Etienne, and my hosts suggested Paris had already seen its best days, from the point of view of a sportsman, this was in 1997. I don’t believe they were wrong in that assessment.

I speak and read a little French. Less each day that goes by, it would seem.

If there is a place that has better pheasant, grouse, and woodcock hunting, along with excellent fishing, than right where I am, and in a few surrounding states, I haven’t been there, and, truthfully, don’t need to go.

If that is your idea of a Francophile, well, guilty as charged, I guess.

Thanks for your notes on what is more typically seen in Germany. I own a “black gun” at the moment, a Remington All Weather 1100 20 gauge LW. Is a licensed German hunter able to use a gun like this to hunt with? Are they permitted to use a semiautomatic action of any type?

Best,
Ted

Yes, semis are what they prefer. Now you are seeing stateside Guides & Preserves limiting gauge as well as # of shots if you bring a semi. I am not sure of the popularity of semis in Germany as I mainly view doubles but Italian semi platforms are probably the choice with a small smattering of Cosmis??



Here was our hunting party a few years back. I couldn't find a current foto quickly but Orange is the norm & I think a Jaeger must also wear Orange underware?

I'll get back to the Nobility topic.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Make sure it is a discussion on nobility that runs All Weather Remington 1100s and New Haven labeled 600AT shotguns.

Those actual aristocratic Mossberg 500 people are just full of themselves.

Nobility cred:






Best,
Ted

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French as French fries, or, poutine.

I have viewed several cartoon, etc. today but I found the below quite amusing albeit a bit off colour....



>>So He actually does Exist?<< >>He did Exist.....<<

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Firstly, I am remiss in answering, due to the Easter holy days, and I apologize for that.
Secondly, a comprehensive answer on the present distribution of hunting firearms in Germany would take a lot of space, time and effort, so I ask you to bear with me if I only answer, as a maybe first instalment, to the above-quoted question.

1. The (federal) German firearms law respects the annual (or in some states, triannual) hunting licence as being vested in the legal effects of a firearms acquisition and possession certificate. Such a hunting licence of any of 16 states of Federal Germany is valid nationwide. It allows you to acquire and to temporarily possess without a Waffenbesitzkarte (FAC) any long firearm (shotguns and rifles alike) that would not be "as such" generally forbidden by the remaining obsolete federal hunting law (Bundesjagdgesetz, in practice the little altered continuation of the Reichsjagdgesetz of 1934).
This general prohibition nowadays only encompasses fully automatic weapons; because former magazine capacity restrictions in the federal hunting law have been dropped a few years ago.

2. New 2020 firearms laws, nationwide through the countries of the EC, have set up new magazine restrictions. Max 10 for long arms, max 20 for handguns.

3. There are no hunting law restrictions in any German state that would differentiate between operation systems and actions. Energy minima for (rifle !) cartridges exist though, 1000 Joules at 100 metres for roe deer, 2000 Joules at 100 metres for all other cloven-hoof game, no matter weight and distance. Shotgun slugs however are exempt (!) from this, no matter whether the barrel is smooth or rifled. Also, some states stipulate limited exceptions, e.g. for small (striped) wild boarlets, and for dispatching wounded game.


Weidmannsheil,
Carcano

Carcano,
Someone in this thread indicated that now families of hunters that have passed over don't want their guns and "beg" someone to take them. It has been my impression that this is not so much that this is a "want" as it is caused by the action of a new law (new to me since the 1980s) that requires the family to sell them to an authorized person/business or turn them over to the police for destruction if none of the heirs has a hunting license or WBK and puts a time limit but does not compensate the family for the loss. This amounts to the forced sale or loss of more drillings than there are willing customers for them, thereby unnaturally driving the price down. I know that it was required for a long time that whoever received the guns had to be authorized to possess them. One of my oldest German hunting friends had in his "will" that his "cousina" (SP.?) would receive his drilling but since she didn't have the permit, the drilling would have to be disabled by drilling into the chambers, welding the firing pins and action closed. She could then possess the deactivated nice drilling (Heym Mod. 33, 20/20ga. -5.6x52R with both a 4x and 6x quality scopes in claw mounts).
I wonder if you could discuss this a little.
Waidmannsheil,
Mike

Mike, I most certainly could lighten the picture up. But it would be difficult for me to retain an outwardly dignified composure.

Firstly, your friends have been misinforming you.
And I wonder why. The Firearms Office (on county or city level) have NOT misinformed them; that is for sure. So, why did they choose to tell you wrongly, and to mislead you? Shame it was, most likely.

The firearms law provisions on heirs and legatees of firearms have not changed substantially since 1976 (49 years), now to be found in par. 20 WaffG. Only the consequences have been made more cumbersome / burdensome. But you still will get your inheritance FAC (Erben-Waffenbesitzkarte) if you request it within the legal application deadline, only the actual possession of ammunition is no longer simply inheritable since 2003. And the side costs (blocking system, and acquisition of a new vault at today's prescribed standard) have risen very significantly.

Secondly, this specific calibre combination in a post-war Heym drilling is practically unsellable at all, although I do very well understand the dusty and time-forlorn considerations that once were behind it. No dealer or gunsmith anywhere in Germany will even take it in commission or in trade. Sad, but starkly true.
An ordinary 16-16-7x57R drilling might eventually find a new home for a low price (300 to 600 €, depending upon condition). This one? Emphatically NOT!

Carcano

Very interesting read, thanks for posting. I'm currently drilling-less, sans drilling, without-a-drilling, but count myself very fortunate to have hunted with a few of them in Montana for several years.

Time to find another!