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I've read there is a correlation between coyote populations, and ticks and Lyme disease. There is no question they carry fleas, ticks, and other parasites. Another good reason to shoot every coyote you see.

All mammals have ticks and fleas and all animals have parasites. The connection is via deer mice, which are an essential host of the tick which carries Lyme, and which are a major prey for foxes and other small carnivores. Coyotes kill foxes, reducing their population and leading to more deer mice. Wolves kill coyotes, leading to more foxes and fewer deer mice, hence less Lyme. So the obvious answer is to reintroduce wolves wherever there is Lyme, right?

Hasn’t worked, here.

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Originally Posted by LGF
....All mammals have ticks and fleas and all animals have parasites. The connection is via deer mice, which are an essential host of the tick which carries Lyme, and which are a major prey for foxes and other small carnivores. Coyotes kill foxes, reducing their population and leading to more deer mice. Wolves kill coyotes, leading to more foxes and fewer deer mice, hence less Lyme. So the obvious answer is to reintroduce wolves wherever there is Lyme, right?

The obvious answer is to look at who started the thread, and chose the subject 'article'. The prof will philosophize in circles about how we are losing tick habitat to climate change. The only important thing is the 'knock-on effct' of this 'research', which allows loon lefties to dream of what could be.

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Originally Posted by craigd
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....All mammals have ticks and fleas and all animals have parasites. The connection is via deer mice, which are an essential host of the tick which carries Lyme, and which are a major prey for foxes and other small carnivores. Coyotes kill foxes, reducing their population and leading to more deer mice. Wolves kill coyotes, leading to more foxes and fewer deer mice, hence less Lyme. So the obvious answer is to reintroduce wolves wherever there is Lyme, right?

The obvious answer is to look at who started the thread, and chose the subject 'article'. The prof will philosophize in circles about how we are losing tick habitat to climate change. The only important thing is the 'knock-on effct' of this 'research', which allows loon lefties to dream of what could be.

Wrong again as usual, Mr. Condescender. If anything, tick ranges have been expanding due to climate change. So, you were 180 degrees wrong. Again.

The south has two very common species of Peromyscus. The Cotton Mouse (Peromyscus gossypinus) is a sibling species of the White Footed Mouse. They are so similar in morphology, behavior, and ecological characteristics that is nearly impossible to tell the two apart when in the hand. Obviously, they are a bit different under the hood but if one was a good reservoir, you would think the other would be too. Peromyscus polionotus, the Old Field Mouse, is a pretty good imitation of a deer mouse as well, so why are they not adequate reservoirs?


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Originally Posted by LGF
Originally Posted by keith
I've read there is a correlation between coyote populations, and ticks and Lyme disease. There is no question they carry fleas, ticks, and other parasites. Another good reason to shoot every coyote you see.

All mammals have ticks and fleas and all animals have parasites. The connection is via deer mice, which are an essential host of the tick which carries Lyme, and which are a major prey for foxes and other small carnivores. Coyotes kill foxes, reducing their population and leading to more deer mice. Wolves kill coyotes, leading to more foxes and fewer deer mice, hence less Lyme. So the obvious answer is to reintroduce wolves wherever there is Lyme, right?

So let's think about this errant and silly line of reasoning...

When hawks, owls, and other mouse-eating raptors were scarce and unprotected, we didn't even know about Lyme disease, even though some researchers say it has existed since at least the Middle Ages.

But now, hawks, owls, and other raptors are protected species, and they seem much more prevalent than foxes. So with an explosion in numbers of these avian mouse predators, we should have a large reduction in Lyme disease, rather than an expansion of it.

Obviously, the environmentalists here are simply theorizing, regurgitating nonsense, or just making shit up (often with some Latin based binomial nomenclature to try to impress the masses). And to take it a step further, game bird numbers have dropped in my state since the introduction of the eastern coyote... in stark contrast to what our environmentalist wackos and biologists have been telling us should happen. It is abundantly apparent coyotes aren't beneficial to game bird populations at all.

I wish they knew even one tenth of what they think they know. But when in doubt... blame it on Climate Change!


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Oh those stupid scientists, wasting entire careers studying complex systems when any man in the street knows far more than they could ever hope to learn? Who cares that tens of thousands of atmospheric scientists and ecologists are scared spitless of climate change? What do they know? Every hunter knows far more about animal ecology and wildlife management than the credulous clowns who spend lifetimes on all that silly 'research'. Fortunately our current government is getting rid of so-called 'science', so those fools won't be bothering us any more.

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Originally Posted by LGF
Oh those stupid scientists, wasting entire careers studying complex systems when any man in the street knows far more than they could ever hope to learn? Who cares that tens of thousands of atmospheric scientists and ecologists are scared spitless of climate change? What do they know? Every hunter knows far more about animal ecology and wildlife management than the credulous clowns who spend lifetimes on all that silly 'research'. Fortunately our current government is getting rid of so-called 'science', so those fools won't be bothering us any more.

Science.



Man, I sure regret that I didn’t get vaccinated for Wuhan flu.

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Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
Originally Posted by craigd
....The obvious answer is to look at who started the thread, and chose the subject 'article'. The prof will philosophize in circles about how we are losing tick habitat to climate change. The only important thing is the 'knock-on effct' of this 'research', which allows loon lefties to dream of what could be.

Wrong again as usual, Mr. Condescender. If anything, tick ranges have been expanding due to climate change. So, you were 180 degrees wrong. Again.

The south has two very common species of Peromyscus. The Cotton Mouse (Peromyscus gossypinus) is a sibling species of the White Footed Mouse. They are so similar in morphology, behavior, and ecological characteristics that is nearly impossible to tell the two apart when in the hand. Obviously, they are a bit different under the hood but if one was a good reservoir, you would think the other would be too. Peromyscus polionotus, the Old Field Mouse, is a pretty good imitation of a deer mouse as well, so why are they not adequate reservoirs?

You are asking Mr. C what I think, that would be rather unscientific, wouldn't you say. From one imitator to another, were you spouting on about the philosophy of the field mouse. Lol, why not just be honest and say, if you were a brit, you could take a speculation piece like the one you found and parlay it into an antihunting strategy. Afterall, what could be more perfect than penalizing a bunch of stuffy rich white duds, shooting thousands of pen bids, that're apparently tick invested.

Oh well, if your professorial persona has any pride, wouldn't you say the graph shows that Lyme is trending down. A big nothing burgdor.

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Craig: the downward trend in Lyme c. 2000 was related to state health departments being otherwise occupied with COVID.
No way around the increased incidence, and new tick vector infections
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/climate-change-effects-on-vector-borne-disease-the-case-of-lyme

Bourbon virus is an Orthomyxoviridae RNA virus first identified in 2014 in a man from Bourbon County, Kansas who died after being bitten by ticks.
Powassan was first identified in 2012
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/25092-powassan-virus
A new one in the Northeast
https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/...ick-borne-disease-reported-in-northeast/

Lyme has been declared a "Climate Change Indicator"
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-lyme-disease#:~:text=Studies%20provide%20evidence%20that%20climate,are%20strongly%20influenced%20by%20temperature.
Oh, never mind. The small print
"Because of the many factors affecting tick populations and reporting of Lyme disease, though, this indicator does not provide sufficient information to determine what proportion of the observed changes in Lyme disease incidence is directly driven by climate change."

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Thanks Doc Drew. I could imagine that, even influenza had strings of zero counts, during covid. I was just looking at the UK ‘data’, that was presented in the link. Lyme disease seems to have become common. Anecdotally, I see way more feral dogs in the field than twenty years ago, and maybe ticks can adapt like feral hogs, and edge up into pheasant country. Hogs may be a tick vector that has changed the game, if there ever was one?

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