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I saw this on gunbroker the other day, I don't know much about these, but I hope to learn

Haenel?

This rifle is a Mod 1909 Haenel, not a sporterized Mauser as advertised. Haenel was one of the manufactures of the Mod. 88 Commision rifle for the government and after the Mauser Mod. 98 was adopted they manufactured sporting versions of the Mod 88. They were unable to compete as well as they wanted with Mauser, whose Mod.98 was still protected by patents. The Haenel Mod 1900 and later 1909 were Haenel's efforts to incorporate features in their rifles that would be competitive with Mausers and not violate the patent protections. Mauser had the patent on the W shaped magazine spring and Haenel used a system of levers and flat springs in changing from enbloc clip to strip loading magazine. To avoid the danger of being able to fire without the bolt head in place, Haenel changed to a two-piece firing pin with the front piece attached to the bolt head. To avoid gas from a pierced primer from reaching the face they placed a shield on the bolt shroud, similar in function but different in form from Mauser's. All in all, the Haenels are interesting and quality rifles that are also quite rare. The one on the advertisement has been reblued/finished and by the proof load, I believe it is 8x57.
Mike

Thanks Mike

What a snag; Lovely acquisition.....



Interesting stamp on the right......

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

@ 2.5 grammes of Military Flake(GewehrBlattchen Pulver) or military flake powder, with the Stahl-mantel Geschoß, it might be a 9X57????

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

2.4 grammes of G.B.P. was the pre-1912/pre-WWI service charge for the 7x57, typically with a 173 grain bullet. I think the 8X57I had weights of 2.75 grammes, 2.67 grammes & 2.45 grammes??



Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Someone got that rifle, but it wasn’t me. That being said, I learned a lot from this thread, thanks.

Indeeed, my favourite bolt action rifle systems are the Haenel Mod. 1909 and the Schmidt & Habermann Mod. 21.
I prefer either to Mauser M 93 or 98.

The Haenel shown in the picture has one of the finest magazine followers I've ever seen.

I have 3 of the Haenel rifles. A 1900 (?) that has been rechambered to 35Whelen. I suppose it was 9mmMauser before. Not the best bore but it does still shoot jacketed bullets well. Can't say that for cast. DST, 1/2 oct bbl w/rib, It came from Canada, so I suspect the rechambering was a quest for some power.
The 1909 is still in 9mm Mauser. Same configuration as the above with a nice bore.
The differences in the 2 models quickly apparent are the bolt handles and the quick release floor plate latch placement and styles.

#3 is a shorty, a carbine length that has a sporterized 1/2 length F/E stock. But the stock is cut down from an original looking Military. It has the slots on either side of the bbl up close to the rcv'r for what appear to be
spring clips to attach a handguard,,missing of course.

Orig front sight. Recv'r ring marked 'C.G. Haenel / 1906' on top and on the left outer wall a simple 'Cal 7'
Someone (the sporterizer person) added a cheap screw-in front slingswivel to the cut down forend.
The butt stock carries a military appearing sling swivel just behind the pistol grip of the stock. Heavy base attached with 2 wood screws. Smooth Steel butt plate.
The bolt handle is the wide flat style as on the GEW88 Carbine

Someone nicely attached a Lyman 36(?) swing-arm rear peep sight to the gun for me which is what drew my attention to it at a gunshow.
It's mounted on what looks like a GEW88 bolt release instead of the longer extended Haenel release.
But for the $225 price of the gun, I over looked the issue.

I'd almost like to bring the carbine back to it's 'Military' look.
I'm sure it used a nose cap, bbl band, rear sight and front swivel. The forend wood stretch and handguard I can make. I can make some of the metal parts if needed as well.
Need to find some references and pics.
Another project for the 'list'.

Then there's the full military rifle floating around some of the local shows the last couple of yrs.,,a Haenel (I think it's the Model 1900) made for one of the South American contracts,,Paraguay perhaps.
It's been all sanded and buffed and re-blued,,but it's one of a very few of those military contract rifles. It Really needs Help!
I should stay away from it, but it's tempting.