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[quote=Lloyd3]Brent: I do occasionally see a jake running thru here (more west of us normally), but even here once in a while. I've been told I'm wrong (by educated folks) but...I think turkey are bad news for grouse. They coincided with the grouse crash where I grew up.
I'm not happy to see them here.
Another good fishing day today, but pork chops for dinner tonight, plus peas and red taters. Done cleaning fish and having a pre-dinner drink. Life is good here tonight. I have heard the same about turkeys in several other places, and even about their being the cause of continental-wide declines in quail, but only from arm-chair biologists. I have not looked into the literature to see what it says, but the public is always quick to condemn by correlation. Turkeys have the reputation of avian wolves I suppose. Anyway, there are lots of both around my place. I am surprised the turkeys are as far north as you. But I guess climate change is doing its thing. I thought they stopped at Duluth, here in the east, but now I have seen a few just north of Duluth and have heard they are pretty common at least a little ways north of Duluth. I suppose wild pigs will be next. Meanwhile there are stunning numbers of deer around here even though wolves killed one in my backyard on Tuesday afternoon. I look forward fishing, but probably not until this winter. Too much to do with moving in and the shooting season this summer. Perhaps grandpa just liked shooting penned birds. And to think of all those years that turkeys just flew over the entire state of Minnesota innesota, to get there. Why do you suppose there were no turkeys in northern Minnesota until just recently? There certainly may be something other than climate change, but that has to be at least a reasonable candidate for it, given its magnitude. Why don't you go search the literature for us, and find out what science really says about the situation?
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For the most part, there were no wolves in northern MN until recently. No shortage of them, today. There also were no turkeys in either downtown, or, the suburbs while I was growing up, and very few bald eagles, anywhere, much less downtown, where they currently nest along the river.
Wild turkeys were a real thing in Canada much later than they were in the US. Anyone who claims otherwise is badly misinformed.
Per usual.
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For the most part, there were no wolves in northern MN until recently. No shortage of them, today. There also were no turkeys in either downtown, or, the suburbs while I was growing up, and very few bald eagles, anywhere, much less downtown, where they currently nest along the river.
Wild turkeys were a real thing in Canada much later than they were in the US. Anyone who claims otherwise is badly misinformed.
Per usual.
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Ted No wolves ted really? You must mean a different minnesota. They were there when I was a child. They were there before I was a child. And they are still there. You're getting the hang of this correlation thing, though, keep it up.
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For the most part, there were no wolves in northern MN until recently. No shortage of them, today. There also were no turkeys in either downtown, or, the suburbs while I was growing up, and very few bald eagles, anywhere, much less downtown, where they currently nest along the river.
Wild turkeys were a real thing in Canada much later than they were in the US. Anyone who claims otherwise is badly misinformed.
Per usual.
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Ted No wolves ted really? You must mean a different minnesota. They were there when I was a child. They were there before I was a child. And they are still there. You're getting the hang of this correlation thing, though, keep it up. Someday, you will need to figure out multi word quotes in order to appear intelligent. Example: “For the most part”. Anyone who lived here knew wolves were very nearly eliminated from the state of Minnesota. Not the case today. It had nothing to do with climate change, either. Best, Ted
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For the most part, there were no wolves in northern MN until recently. No shortage of them, today. There also were no turkeys in either downtown, or, the suburbs while I was growing up, and very few bald eagles, anywhere, much less downtown, where they currently nest along the river.
Wild turkeys were a real thing in Canada much later than they were in the US. Anyone who claims otherwise is badly misinformed.
Per usual.
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Ted No wolves ted really? You must mean a different minnesota. They were there when I was a child. They were there before I was a child. And they are still there. You're getting the hang of this correlation thing, though, keep it up. Someday, you will need to figure out multi word quotes in order to appear intelligent. Example: “For the most part”. Anyone who lived here knew wolves were very nearly eliminated from the state of Minnesota. Not the case today. It had nothing to do with climate change, either. Best, Ted There were never any shortage of them where I lived. And though the increase in wolves did not result from climate change.And I never said it did. So why do you seem to want to insist otherwise?
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If you knew anything about turkey range expansion you’d know it’s largely due to human efforts, spearheaded by the NWTF.
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If you knew anything about turkey range expansion you’d know it’s largely due to human efforts, spearheaded by the NWTF. So you're saying that they've been introducing them in northern minnesota? Reference please. And why were they not there earlier? I know my grandfather wasn't shooting them.
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.....I have heard the same about turkeys....
....but only from arm-chair biologists. I have not looked into the literature to see what it says, but the public is always quick to condemn by correlation. Turkeys have the reputation of avian wolves I suppose. Anyway, there are lots of both around my place.
I am surprised the turkeys are as far north as you. But I guess climate change is doing its thing. I thought they stopped at Duluth, here in the east, but now I have seen a few just north of Duluth and have heard they are pretty common at least a little ways north of Duluth. I suppose wild pigs will be next.... About as armchair, as armchair gets. Dissertation time. Okay. Tell us about your dissertation on turkey predation on grouse. Hurry up. Let's have the publication list too (Authors and DOIs will suffice). Fisher-Price and Mattel are an excellent resource to find out more about avian wolves. You know wild turkey thrive in the northern plains and in the Rockies, up to at least six thousand feet, and they don't primarily eat 'waste' corn like the academics out of Iowa publish. And yes, Alberta has published a 'sqeal on pigs campaign'.
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Got the DOIs on those pubs?
I don't know any iowans.Publishing about turkey's eating waste grain.But i'm sure they do. Why wouldn't they?
Meanwhile, i'm wanting to know why turkeys have avoided northern minnesota, until just recently.And why now is such a good time for them. I guess because there's lots of grouse to eat. Eh?
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....I know my grandfather wasn't shooting them. Is this the fellow, who spent his days shooting penned birds. The ole man would be proud. Never forget.
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