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Hum, not marked is interesting. But something has to change to keep Axel E's Chr. Funk - vom Hofe Story intact. I think that it was because Chr. Fun, owned T&S.

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Just had a lengthy chat w/ Mr. William Noody of NY about 5,6 mm bonded bullets with a weight around 5,1 grammes. He takes a 6mm bullet and reduces the diameter. Very interesting retired fella that started out picking up 22 cases @ the range and working off the rim to make 22 bullets. He said that Hornady started the same way. Then he used 429 Pistol brass to make 416" and along with an artikel in Guns & Ammo about the 416 & naming him, everything took off....

He is featured in the current/July edition of the American Shooting Journal w/ a 4 page artikel and his mug in there he says.. Most interesting process to make bullets. His sole source for components & dies is Corbins...

He said that he has made some 5,6mm for a fella that was pushing them around 4000 ft/s.

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
I resize .264" bullets to .261" and .321-323" to .318" but this amounts to .005" reduction or less. It has been reported that reducing a normal "cup and core" bullet more than that can cause the core to loosen in the jacket. This is because the reduced jacket may "spring back" some, while the lead core won't. On the other hand, I have .228 bullets that a friend "bumped" up from .224" for use in the 5.6x61R vom Hofe. The difference between .243" (6mm bullet) and .228" is .015" reduction and 3 times the limit I have been using for resizing jacketed bullets. I don't know of a .233" (within .005" difference of .228") bullet I could resize to .228". On the other hand, the "bumping up" process my friend uses is not limited to .005" like resizing is, because the core is expanded against the jacket instead of the jacket being reduced against the core. Indeed, expanding the core against the jacket is the process used in making new bullets and is used without problem. Another acquaintance tried turning .243" monometal bullets to .228" but these resulted in high pressure problems and could have resulted in a damaged rifle. His basic idea is worth exploring, I believe, if grooves are added to reduce the pressure required to force the monometal bullet through the lands in the barrel. Some commercial manufacturers use this idea in their production of monometal bullets. I noted that number 1 wire gauge copper wire is nominally 0.228", but even though I have turrets for a couple lathes, given my age there is not enough time left to work out production details.
Mike

Indeed Ford. Mr. William Noody gives that about 0.004" is the max in a conversion like that. He orders specific swaging(??) dies from Corbins to perform the task. He gets orders for hundreds of thousands of round but has to refuse them as he says it will take him a Lifetime or two to turn out that volume. His yearly volume probably approaches 25k in total. He does make a sample pack of 10, which I found most interesting. But he gives that 100 rounds is about where he starts to break even.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
The business is Mr. Noody's and I am sure he will do whatever is most economical and best for him. He might come around to seeing it is easier to bump up heavy .224" bullets than resize.243" bullets. If not, he may have other reasons that are acceptable to him.
Mike

I will ask him Ford as he is meticulous in his Craft....

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

As a 5.6x61R vom Hofe shooter, I will be interested in his reasoning. There is no doubt he is meticulous in his craft.
Mike

Ford:

I have corresponded w/ Mr. William Noody and he gives that 6mm/ 0.243" can be used to make longer jackets and that the walls are a bit thicker. Of course it is possible to use the 0.224" bullets to upsize if he had too. He is designing the bullet to hold together up to 4000 ft/s if it is pushed that fast. He has ordered 6mm jackets from Corbins to complete the project for the 5,6mm X 61R bullets of 79 or 80 grains. He somehow polishes the bullets to get the target weight.

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
Your initial post about Mr. Noody indicated that he uses 6mm bullets to make .228 bullets, but now I glean from your posts that he actually uses 6mm jackets (not bullets) to make jackets for .228" bullets. That makes much more sense since the core would not be in the jacket while he is reducing it. The core wouldn't be added until before the point forming operation, therefore wouldn't be loosened from the jacket. His comment about thicker jackets resulting also makes sense.
Mike

Now Ford I never said I was a bullet maker Extraordinaire. I was just parroting what he was telling me. Many times folks in the know just hit the high spots and leave you to fill in the blanks.

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse