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PhysDoc you have found the patent. Thank you. Reading the patent text and viewing the illustration notes the patent is almost exactly like the tool pictured. There is a slight variation on the upper arm of the tool pictured that contains a .742" round end portion. I assume this is an afterthought to the patent illustrated to help insert a wad while loading a shell. I am not quite sure if the tool is meant to crease brass cases or paper cases. I have not tried it on either type. I thank you all . Daryl Congratulations on what I suspect is a very scarce tool. There seems to be something of a resurgence of interest in paradox and explora guns, so you shouldn't be too far in the dark loading their ammo, do you have a ball and shot gun? I know the solid ammo isn't to be shot through choked guns. I think your tool is probably for paper cases only, I don't see that putting a proper crimp on a brass case, pictures of brass cased ammo I've seen were crimped at the mouth. Good luck Tim
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Fred, great job on finding the correct Patent going from the date of application.
So it appears this tool is meant as an alternative to a roll crimp, and from the Patent description, it seems it is intended for paper shell cases. As Stan points out, it probably wasn't a rousing success, and it certainly didn't edge out other methods of closing the end of a shot shell.
It would be interesting to see it actually used to load some shells. I would assume that an over-shot card is used, and the tool creates a "crease" to hold it in place. I'd also assume that a mere "crease" would not be as effective as a good roll crimp or a conventional 6 or 8 point crimp, neither in keeping the shell assembled without losing shot, or in providing enough resistance to get complete and reliable ignition. I can imagine that shooters who used this tool might have resorted to things like using water glass (sodium silicate) or melted candle wax to keep the over-shot card wad from becoming dislodged.
Another thing I found interesting from Fred's Patent search for the date April 6th, 1875 was the number of other Patents applied for on the same day that were related to firearms or reloading cartridges.
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Tim, thanks for your help. I think this example would work in a 10 ga, but not for a 12 ga. The patent mentions smaller gauges could be available. I do think it must be for a paper case. I gave no idea where or when I got the tool. I have no ball and shot guns, nor do I have any paradox guns.
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