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Why would you even say that?

Truth.
Sumthang that Amurricans never heard. You again proved it.

Truth is, you started 2 wars we finished! The loser can try to change history but can’t.

The Great War was a demented slog fest of artillery, inhuman gas, machine gun and rifle shots at distance to see how many millions could be killed across no mans land. The Kaiser was angry at the English his entire life because of the birth defect he received at from faulty treatment of a English doctor assisting at his birth--of course his belief in the "divine right" of kings added to his stupidity. We know plenty about the Great War as do the British who lost an entire generation of young men to the stupidity of the Kaiser, who was finally exiled to Holland. Why Holland agreed to have him is a conundrum.

In the Great War we came across the Atlantic and whipped your behind with soldiers like Sgt.York. But we did not do a complete job and had to bring General Patton and General Curtis LeMay 20 years later to finish the job.

And after we destroyed your country and whipped your armed forces we followed our sense of morals and fed your people and restored your country so that you could once again become a father land of distinction. That is the American way.

Stephen Howell

Truth be told, had it not been for the obstinance and vindictiveness of France at the treaty of Versailles after WWI, there probably wouldn't have been a WWII. France was vindictive over their loss to Germany during the Franco/Prussian war where France was rolled up like a piece of pastry. France, England and a few other European countries were doing everything they could to keep Germany from becoming united. Until after the Franco/Prussian war, "Germany" was a patchwork of Prussia, Austria, duchies and city states. There was no Germany as we think of it. Kinda like the US, they had to defeat a foreign power to become a nation...and they fought among themselves at its forming as much as the colonies did at the forming of the US.

Wilson wasn't a great help either.

Germany didn't start WWI. That distinction would belong to Austria & Serbia. At Versailles, France insisted Germany be held completely responsible AND pay for the entire conflict, which they ultimately did. Germany was not allowed at the negotiation table and had a treaty shoved in their face and told, 'sign it or else'. They made the last payment to the US in I believe either the 1980's 0r 90's.

At that time, 1914, Europe was a patchwork of treaties that once the conflict began, they fell like dominoes. I have an excellent book titled "The War That
Ended Peace" and recommend it highly.

That they were/are the greatest generation is indisputable. They not only defeated fascism and the empire of Japan, they won out over the Great Depression in spite of the US leadership.

You are wrong. The greatest generation were the VICTORS of both wars. None else. The wars were close enough together that some of the poor bastards fought in both. Liberating the same dirt from the same countries that were not their own, twice in a lifetime.

As if once wasn’t bad enough, saving the ungrateful slobs who live there, and who started it.

Never underestimate greater Western European ineptitude at matters of national duty and responsibility. How ‘bout that truth?

More truth. The German foreign exchange student that came to my high school, nearly 50 years ago, had never seen a single image of or heard a single thing about a German concentration camp. Not taught in his school. He was dumbfounded at the images and the story. But, not as dumbfounded as he was at the people who decided he should not know his own history.

One would think the stench of the liberated German concentration camps would be remembered today, and would give pause to the powers in Brussels, as well as the European normies that chastise me about my second amendment rights, or, whatever else they think is below their standard of civilized society.

One would be wrong.

To that end, may Europe be responsible for itself, going forward. It will be best for all, trust me.

I’m tired of Eurotrash lecturing me about truth.




Best,
Ted

You can see how this idiot is trying to start another war. And like the others, he can’t win this one either!

If that actually happens they'll cease to exist. They're in worse shape now than they were before WWII. America will continue to look after it's own interests abroad, but it is my hope that the current administration will create an atmosphere wherein Europe will have to pony up, or pay the severe price of not doing so.

World War I and World War II, in Europe, not to include the Pacific Theater, were fought on mostly the same soil. That is about where the similarity ends. The politics, treaties, ethnic identification and economies before both wars were about as far apart as east is from west. IF a person has actually studied WWI and the Treaty at Versailles it becomes glaringly evident that the treaty at Versailles all but guaranteed there would be a WWII. The ineffective and emasculated Weimar Republic set up by France and the allies essentially promised Germany poverty and derision. In 1922 Mussolini set up the first fascist government. The Weimar Republic fell, a world wide depression made matters even worse in Germany. The exchange rate was ONE BILLION Marks to the dollar. Literally a wheelbarrow full of money for a loaf of bread. Those developments opened the door for some kind of savior in Germany. That Hitler was a fiend is understatement. He was also charming, mesmerizing and, as many choose to forget, legally elected. After that is when things went south. He also seemed to keep his political promises while on the other hand killing all political opponents. He thumbed his nose at the Treaty of Versailles and, while I absolutely DO NOT condone anything the man did but, he almost can't be blamed. He did restore the pride of the German people and in the process instilled arrogance.

Churchill was well informed of the goings on at Versailles. Even so great a statesman as he commented, and I paraphrase, that "those who can win a war rarely make a good peace". France and the allies proved that. Ironically, 27 years later, George C. Marshall and Harry S. Truman disproved it. Churchill also told FDR, "We need to meet the Russians as far to the east as possible". No, FDR could handle "Uncle Joe", except that it was Uncle Joe who was handling FDR. Thank FDR for 40 years of cold war, and Communist China but, that's another story.

Anyway, we are over a century removed from WWI and, the US was only in it for 17-18 months. Don't forget, when the US troops arrived, I believe it was Petain, the French general, who wanted to incorporate them into the French units. Thank God Pershing, another Missourian, stood his ground and said no.

The two conflicts were so different. I remember a person telling me, "we fought two wars against fascism". I mentioned WWII and asked if he could tell me the other. He said WWI. No, it wasn't a war against fascism. Fascism as a form of government did not make an appearance on the world stage until 1922, 4 years AFTER WWI ended. Prior to WWI Germany was a Constitutional Monarchy and Austro-Hungary was an absolute monarchy.

Anyway, both wars were....incredibly bloody and one was indescribably evil. Point being, have a better understanding and knowledge of the history of the causes as well as the events.