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W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool (photos added) #662717 07/05/25 02:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 117 Likes: 9 United States K Crowley OP Sidelock
OP K Crowley Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 117 Likes: 9 United States	Looks like the recent shop operating under the W. Richards name is no longer in business in York. At least the website - https://www.wrichardsguns.co.uk/ - is no longer up and their Facebook page has been inactive for several years. Does anyone have new contact info? I have a couple questions about a recently acquired 20ga. Thank you in advance. Last edited by K Crowley; 07/10/25 05:48 AM. Reason: photos added https://www.crowleyimages.com/
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Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool K Crowley #662719 07/05/25 02:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 11,046 Likes: 1599 mpls, mn. Ted Schefelbein Sidelock
Ted Schefelbein Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 11,046 Likes: 1599 mpls, mn.	Keith, Our own Lloyd owns a sweet little 16 gauge boxlock ejector by that firm, and, I’m thinking he researched them a bit when he got that gun. His is old, but, it is a looker, and he has used it in the past to great effect on grouse. I’m thinking a few others here own those guns. Perhaps a few here can point you in the right direction. Side note, did you ever do anything with your Dad’s Charlin? Good luck. Best, Ted
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Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool Ted Schefelbein #662728 07/05/25 05:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 117 Likes: 9 United States K Crowley OP Sidelock
OP K Crowley Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 117 Likes: 9 United States	Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein Keith, Side note, did you ever do anything with your Dad’s Charlin? Good luck. Best, Ted Still a project gun. May always be that, I'm afraid. KC https://www.crowleyimages.com/
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Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool K Crowley #662729 07/05/25 06:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 11,046 Likes: 1599 mpls, mn. Ted Schefelbein Sidelock
Ted Schefelbein Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 11,046 Likes: 1599 mpls, mn.	Originally Posted by K Crowley Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein Keith, Side note, did you ever do anything with your Dad’s Charlin? Good luck. Best, Ted Still a project gun. May always be that, I'm afraid. KC It happens. Best, Ted
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Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool K Crowley #662734 07/06/25 12:50 AM
Joined: Oct 2019 Posts: 318 Likes: 96 UK Imperdix Sidelock
Imperdix Sidelock Joined: Oct 2019 Posts: 318 Likes: 96 UK	I believe the owner has retired. At one time he also had the Thomas Horsley records etc but I don`t know what has happened recently.Hth
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Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool Imperdix #662740 07/06/25 07:27 AM
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OP K Crowley Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 117 Likes: 9 United States	Originally Posted by Imperdix I believe the owner has retired. At one time he also had the Thomas Horsley records etc but I don`t know what has happened recently.Hth Thank you. https://www.crowleyimages.com/

Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool K Crowley #662765 07/06/25 02:13 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,723 Likes: 1145 Parker, Colorado Lloyd3 Sidelock
Lloyd3 Sidelock Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,723 Likes: 1145 Parker, Colorado	Nice unit! (like the swamped rib). My gun was from their Preston shop (circa 1905) & my fences aren't anywhere near that elaborate. Last edited by Lloyd3; 07/09/25 09:58 AM.
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Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool Lloyd3 #662779 07/06/25 06:59 PM
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OP K Crowley Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 117 Likes: 9 United States	Originally Posted by Lloyd3 Nice unit! (like the swamped rib). My gun is from the Preston shop (circa 1905) & my fences aren't anywhere near that elaborate. Thank you. I couldn't pass this one up since that engraving on the fences matches a gun I already own, although the maker is still a mystery on that one. And I have no way to determine the dates on either one other than that they are post 1904. Last edited by K Crowley; 07/06/25 07:03 PM. https://www.crowleyimages.com/
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Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool K Crowley #662791 07/07/25 07:11 AM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 11,046 Likes: 1599 mpls, mn. Ted Schefelbein Sidelock
Ted Schefelbein Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 11,046 Likes: 1599 mpls, mn.	I’m thinking I see a Churchill rib…. Best, Ted

Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool K Crowley #662795 07/07/25 08:04 AM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,723 Likes: 1145 Parker, Colorado Lloyd3 Sidelock
Lloyd3 Sidelock Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,723 Likes: 1145 Parker, Colorado	I shouldn't do this, but... can't help myself. This was in the Fall 2023. Look on the Crossed Halberds stamp for a date code (reflecting the year of its 1st trip through proof). It should be there. Last edited by Lloyd3; 07/08/25 11:21 AM.
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Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool Ted Schefelbein #662903 07/10/25 05:50 AM
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OP K Crowley Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 117 Likes: 9 United States	Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein I’m thinking I see a Churchill rib…. Best, Ted I think that's right, if I understand correctly what a Churchill rib is. https://www.crowleyimages.com/

Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool K Crowley #662923 07/10/25 10:39 AM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,723 Likes: 1145 Parker, Colorado Lloyd3 Sidelock
Lloyd3 Sidelock Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,723 Likes: 1145 Parker, Colorado	Ted doesn't miss much. I assume the tubes on this 20 are a bit shorter?

Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool Lloyd3 #662930 07/10/25 12:40 PM
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OP K Crowley Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 117 Likes: 9 United States	Originally Posted by Lloyd3 Ted doesn't miss much. I assume the tubes on this 20 are a bit shorter? 27", IC/IM 5lbs 9oz. https://www.crowleyimages.com/

Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool K Crowley #662934 07/10/25 01:42 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,723 Likes: 1145 Parker, Colorado Lloyd3 Sidelock
Lloyd3 Sidelock Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,723 Likes: 1145 Parker, Colorado	Sounds like perfection to me. My 16 is 5lbs14 w/28 tubes choked m/ic & 14 3/4 lop Last edited by Lloyd3; 07/10/25 03:19 PM.

Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool K Crowley #663168 07/17/25 07:01 AM
Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 1,323 Likes: 656 Parabola Sidelock
Parabola Sidelock Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 1,323 Likes: 656	Nigel Brown, British Gunmakers Vol.2, has information and a list at pages 136 and 137. The Liverpool and Preston shops, up to 1916, kept separate number books for each branch. As a result, although numbers do not appear to have been duplicated they may have been a few years out of step. Post or PM me your serial number and I can look it up for you. [img]https://i.imgur.com/G5MQSdI.png[/img This one from Liverpool in 1896, sorry I can only show the link and not the complete image. Last edited by Parabola; 07/17/25 07:13 AM.

Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool Parabola #663291 07/20/25 11:49 AM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 117 Likes: 9 United States K Crowley OP Sidelock
OP K Crowley Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 117 Likes: 9 United States	Originally Posted by Parabola Nigel Brown, British Gunmakers Vol.2, has information and a list at pages 136 and 137. The Liverpool and Preston shops, up to 1916, kept separate number books for each branch. As a result, although numbers do not appear to have been duplicated they may have been a few years out of step. Post or PM me your serial number and I can look it up for you. [img]https://i.imgur.com/G5MQSdI.png[/img This one from Liverpool in 1896, sorry I can only show the link and not the complete image. Thank you. I will send you the serial number via PM. https://www.crowleyimages.com/

Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool K Crowley #671320 02/12/26 04:34 PM
Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 1,323 Likes: 656 Parabola Sidelock
Parabola Sidelock Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 1,323 Likes: 656	I posted above “The Liverpool and Preston shops, up to 1916, kept separate number books for each branch. As a result, although numbers do not appear to have been duplicated they may have been a few years out of step.” I discovered today, much to my surprise, that there is a gun from the Preston branch that has the identical serial number to mine above from the Liverpool shop. A sample of one (or is it 2 in this case?) does not prove much and this may have been an isolated duplication. Last edited by Parabola; 02/15/26 03:46 PM.

Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool K Crowley #671323 02/12/26 06:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,292 Likes: 152 nh mostly ed good Sidelock
ed good Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,292 Likes: 152 nh mostly	Lloyd: bow, scrape, ginuflect... you was blessed on dat day... times five... Last edited by ed good; 02/12/26 06:09 PM. keep it simple and keep it safe...

Re: W. Richards, Preston & Liverpool K Crowley #671465 02/16/26 02:21 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,723 Likes: 1145 Parker, Colorado Lloyd3 Sidelock
Lloyd3 Sidelock Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,723 Likes: 1145 Parker, Colorado	Ed, I try to count my blessings daily but you're right...that was a particularly good day.

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