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I have recently learned that Northern Precision is now making .228" bullets in 60 to 80 grain weights, and I believe with different jacket thickness and bonded or non-bonded cores to accommodate both 22 Sav. HP and 5.6x61 vom Hofe shooters. I have not tried these bullets and cannot verify their quality nor criticize them. They can be found at:www.npcustombullets.com .
Mike

Ford, it is most easy to discern between the 5,6X61 vom Hofe and the 5,6X61R(Rand) vom Hofe: One has a Rim(Rand) & one does not. Sort of akin to a dog w/ a tail & a dog without a tail....



I finally found my brass & dies plus I have some Rimless so I need to source a bolt gun.....


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
The box is marked 5.6x57R, Is the rifle 5.6x61R vom Hofe or 5.6x57R? Are you looking for a 5.6 x 57 or 5.6x 61 vom Hofe bolt gun? I think I have some fired 5.6x57 cases, if you need them and maybe some 5.6x57R also. I can stake you to some 5.6x57 ammo to check your handloads against. The biggest advantage goes to the 5.6x57 over the 5.6x61 vom Hofe (both rimmed and rimless) because it uses .224" bullets and a common case head diameter. BTW, I noticed two of the fired cases have the unique venturi shoulder. This is more common on the 7x66 vom Hofe, than the 5.6 x61.
Mike

Ford:

Just seeing if you are paying attention. Yes, the rifle is stamped 5,6X61R but about 20+ years ago someone proffered me several boxes of the aforementioned 5,6X57R thinking those would bridge the gap in a Vom Hofe and those were the brass for which I was searching for but do not fit in well with what I am trying to do. How difficult it is to put a Rim on a Rimless??? I am quite confident I have a handful of 5,6X61R laying about somewhere plus I still need to order some of the bullets you posted & referenced.


Anyway, this copied text from an ancient post by Axel E. go a long way in explaining just why Chr. Funk is purported to have made all but one of the Vom Hofe chambered weapons. Remember, eons ago, Thieme & Schlegelmilch(Nimrod Gewehrfabrik Mitbegründer des Römerwerkes in 1888) as a founding partner in of the formidable shop and heavy lifter Römerwerk/Röhmerwerke by Jacob Romer / Rohmer. By 1900 Ernst Schlegelmilch was @ the helm & then by 1930 Ernst Schlegelmilch sold the concern to Alfred Funk who had Ernst Funk as a partner or something. Ernst Funk pulled up stakes by 1936, and I think everything was dissolved, but Alfred Funk pressed on filling orders with the two compagnies..... Wild & Rampant Speculation mind you.

>>You should read Peter Ravn Lund's book "Christoph Funk - Gewehrfabrik Suhl"(available from the GGCA bookstore), pages 28 - 29. Thieme & Schlegelmilch was not simply "absorbed" by Chr.Funk, the story is a bit more complicated. It is important to add Chr. to the Funk name, as there were no less than 38 Funks active at one time or another in the Suhl and Zella-Mehlis area. The Chr. Funk company in 1934 was owned by Ernst Funk. Ernst's oldest son, Alfred Christoph Funk bought Thieme & Schlegelmilch on February 1, 1934, but ran it as a separate business. In 1937 A.C.F. moved the T&S shop to his father's factory premises at Gothaer Strasse 18. From then on both "Chr.Funk" and "Nimrod" guns were made by the same men in the same factory to the same designs, but were signed and sold by by two financially independent companies until 1945. So it was a cooperative of two companies sharing a factory. BTW, Rob's "Nimrod" drilling is essentially a Chr.Funk "Jubiläumsdrilling 1835 -1935, Modell II", featuring a light action body made from high strength steel, Blitz-/trigger plate locks and Funk's tumbler-locking safety.<<


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Yeah Ford, when it comes to the unique Venturi Shoulder, I am a fanatic. Either the Venturi Shoulder or nothing, or go home.... This is new unfired RWS brass.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
I have played around with adding rims to rimless cases and actually made some rimmed cases that way. You need to have a hydraulic press that is powerful enough to swage he material onto the prepared donor case. You also need to have a lathe to make the dies you need, prepare the brass material being added, and to shape/size the added rim. The brass rim material had to be annealed as soft as possible so it will flow, under pressure. If radical case forming will be required, you should do that before adding the rim to prevent damaging it during the sizing operations. The best way to make cases now would be to form them from 30 Blazer donor cases. Forming the cases would be easier than adding a rim and would likely result in better cases anyway. Since I got some cases with my rifle, I didn't have to do that much to be able to shoot it. I did experiment with converting 8x56R blanks that had a substitute for the bullet formed from the case so were long enough. Because of severe work hardening where they were crimped, I was unable to prevent cracking of the neck. I couldn't anneal the necks first because they were loaded and the cracks started while opening them up to remove the powder. I didn't have an 8x56R to fire the blanks in so I don't if starting with fired cases would have helped. Yoy seem to have pretty good supply sources, so I believe your best bet is the 30 Blazer for 5.6x61R cases. BTW My rifle is a "Remo" made by Rempt and I don't know of a connection to Chr.Funk.
Mike

Yeah Ford you have the rarest of the rare of Vom Hofe chamberings because that is the >>One<< that Chr. Funk didn't make.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

I'm sure Remo made others beside mine and I wouldn't be surprised to learn someone else made all the post war ones.
Mike

I was only referring to pre-WWII chamberings. Maybe yours was rechambered after the 2nd Great Disagreement in Europe?



Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
No, it was prewar rifle owned by the forester of Kloster Forest in Kitzingen/Main and was hidden in a hay pile to avoid turning it over to the authorities. It was wrapped in burlap and if you look closely, you can see the marks of the burlap left by rust. After the war my friend Gene Enterkin was stationed in Kitzingen and befriended the forester who gave him the rifle, but without the scope. The forester was not allowed to have his own rifle but was issued a 30-caliber carbine to use in his job and had the scope mounted on it by Waffen Mahl in Kitzingen. Later, Gene had the scope that is on it now mounted by Waffen Stienerstauch in Wuerzburg/Main. The rifle is chambered for a vom Hofe cartridge, but is not marked as a vom Hofe product itself.
Mike