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After a lengthy conversation w/ Mr. William Noodyhe does he have 80 grains of 0.228" bonded bullets then bonds a 6mm jacket that he orders from Corbin's. Then he resizes the 0.228" bonded bullet w/ a 6mm jacket down to 0.228".

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
I must be missing something in the translation. Where does he get the 80gr. .228" bonded core bullet that he adds the Corbin 6 mm Jacket to? Will he sell these bullets (without adding the 6mm jacket) ? It seems that adding a 6mm jacket to a .228" bullet and sizing the whole thing to .228" would result in a monometal bullet by forcing the core out and if you trapped the core inside, you couldn't size it to .228" with available equipment.
Mike

No idea Ford as that was just from our conversation yesterday I think it was. He did say that the bonding of the bonded bullet to the jacket is a chemical(fluid) process. Then somewhere in there he heats the bullet to 621 °F to approach the melting point of Lead(pb) and that there can be pockets of heat of 800-900 °F. I will quiz him more when the bullets arrive.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

And again Ford, I am not a bullet maker by any stretch of the imagination, but I very well may be a bullet authority by the time these bullets arrive.

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

A search of William Noody's name revealed that he is the owner/operator of Northern Precision at 329s James St. Carthage NY 13619. Some time ago, I took note of an add they ran in Handloader magazine, announcing that they are now producing .228" bullets, I mentioned this on one of the forums discussing 5.6x61R vom Hofe (maybe even this thread, I didn't search). They redraw 6mm jackets from Corbin to jackets for .228" bullets. From these redrawn jackets, they can produce .228" bullets in weights from 50 grains to 80 grains, either bonded or not bonded. The unbonded core bullets currently cost $50- for 50 bullets and bonded core bullets cost $35- for 25 bullets. Bonded core would be preferred for hunting. Northern Precision produces their bullets using accepted quality equipment and components with precise procedures.
They also produce a variety of other diameter, weight, and type of bullets that would interest others on this forum that shoot rifles using hard to find bullets. I am in no way connected to them and have not yet tried their bullets.
Mike

FWIW: Website => https://www.npcustombullets.com/

Don't forget too that he will kindly make you a 10 bullet sample pack. Remember every bullet passes thru his fingers multiple times....


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

All right, on to the 5,6X61R and 6,5X70R loading. Do I need to anneal both cases??? Let the games begin....

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

I do not understand your nagging insistence on that thrice answered query. Answered, incidentally, by posters certainly more knowledgeable than I in his respect.
- Old cases (in this case, well 55 years old if not more) better be annealed after having been fired, because of the previous (!) aging of the brass. The Blue Bible also recommends it strongly.
- New cases can be annealed after a due cycle of firings.
- Reformed cases ought to be annealed right after the forming (very necessary), and NOT too late (after the fireforming).

Carcano

Forming and annealing 5.6x61R vom Hofe cases can and will be pretty "iffy". Annealing too early or "burning" the cases can result in the cases collapsing in on itself. Sizing too much in one step can also collapse the case or cause it to "fold in in itself'" creating a weak place that will surely split. You can have an expensive set of forming dies made up or you can use dies of different calibers, already "on hand". Either way can work, you just have to work out a procedure using dies you have, can borrow or can buy. Work on a couple cases at first to avoid ruining all of them in the beginning. The idea is to make the cases small enough to chamber and then fireform them to fit the chamber. In the middle steps, it doesn't matter if the case looks funny and is stepped, the fireforming will work that out.
Mike