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Franz Sodia did have ammo made as such exists w/ his headstamp; might have been proprietary? And I am quite sure he didn't use a stencil set & put his name on there himself. But for now I do not know the bullet diameter. But in your circumlocution reply above you still fail to compare the „Suhl“ diameter to the »Ferlach« diameters, which should be related by the depth of the rifling, which has to have an average.

So you are tell me this Sunday Lady/Lad Shooter/Hunter owned a dial caliper, which she kept in her hunting bag/purse & slugged the bore. I think not. I understand critical data is missing, but the data that we do have points to the fact that 6,5x70R from the cradle „Suhl“ is quite different than that of »Ferlach«. The two should have a relationship solely by equation since all the pertinent data hasn't surfaced just yet. It would be similar to „Suhl“ + Rifling = »Ferlach«, where Rifling cannot equal zero.


Lep Pozdrav,


Raimey
rse

That Collath bullets sounds very interesting.

Many thanks Fuhrmann for the info & for feeding the beast.


Lep Pozdrav,


Raimey
rse

Too, 1937 info/data is fine but we just do not want stay outside of the 1939 German rules. That would be a separate mining effort and possibly the Austrian hunters were forced to choose ammo with different diameter bullets post 1939 or WWII; then again it may have just been a regional thing that they didn't change from the very beginning.


Lep Pozdrav,


Raimey
rse

No if there is a bullet diameter difference between the Suhl Cradle & the Austrian version of 6,5X70R, which I propose there is, the the equation „Suhl“ + Rifling +(could be +/-) bullet diameter difference = »Ferlach«. This will compare apples to apples getting us closer to the actual truth and cease the Socratic Method & Circumlocution ramblings.

Lep Pozdrav,


Raimey
rse

Raimey,
If Sodia had a request for a 6.5x70R drilling and chose to use a barrel blank they made for a 6.5x57R instead of tooling for a special barrel, and the proof house properly marked it as having 6.8 mm grooves, there would be no obligation for the ammunition manufactures to change the bullet diameters in cartridges they loaded to be used in everyone's 6.5x60R rifles. Proof marks give information on the rifle; they give no information on ammunition. The text on the ammunition box gives information on the ammunition, it gives no information on the rifle. Obviously, it is related but it is up to the shooter make sure they are comparable. With regard to calipers, everyone reloading ammunition needs appropriate measuring instruments. If they are only shooting factory ammo loaded to accepted criteria, they need no measuring instruments at all, but then they can't shoot guns chambered for obsolete ammo. You are blessed with a nice drilling that can use bullets you don't have to make or modify. You should be happy with that; you will have enough trouble with the cases. You will still need to measure them to determine if and how much to trim them. As regards the Collath bullets: somewhere you should have the GGCA "DER WAFFENSCHMIED" special about Collath and you will find information about these bullets in the copy of their catalog that came along with it.
Mike

Raimey,

I too do not believe this theory. The only handle you have is a barrel marked 6.8.
I just had a look in Dixon's book and found this. Obviously Sodia sourced his proprietary ammunition from RWS in Nürnberg.
See the headstamp bottom right

While I am at it, here is the page from RWS Wiederladen

Ok, interesting load data.


But as usual, I am wrong, wrong, wrong...... So with a 6,8mm stamp, what exactly is the associated bullet diameter ¿¿¿

Is it the same as Suhl¿

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

I just do not think the tolerances were as close as many expect. Too, in no way, shape or form do I think the end user had an idea of the barrel diameter much less the bullet diameter. They went to their preferred ammo retailer & asked for ammo.



Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
That is absolutely correct, but they were not in the position of having to make their own ammo and needing actual dimensions to do it.
Mike