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Ed, you might notice that every stronghold for grouse has a healthy populations of coyotes. And the turkeys on my property are also getting along really well with the grouse also.

So, were there no grouse before coyotes were introduced, or were there always coyotes? What I don't know about grouse would fill libraries, but I do know that there have not always been coyotes everywhere. You claimed to have seen the first one to have ever set foot on the Savannah River Site (🤣🤣🤣) so you obviously know they spread into many areas in our lifetime.

Stanley, I do not know of any place where coyotes have been introduced. But in any event from the rocky mountains to the midwest coyotes have always been present. In fact, the first recorded Coyote for the Western world. It was collected by lewis and clark on their way through iowa on westward side of their trip. And so too, have grouse, although I can't tell you when the first one was collected by a european. You can look that up yourself.

My grad student and I were the first to record/report a coyote on the SRS according to Lehr Brisbain. He was the guy that would know. Doubtful that we were the first to actually see one given the number of cars driving by amd something like 23k people turning over at every shift change. And, if course they were known to be in the larger, general region.

Your ignorance does not become you, Stanley, but thanks for reading and responding to my posts while claiming to ignore me. 😁

Your ignorance does not become YOU. You know full well that my name is Stanton, not Stanley. But, in some misguided effort to besmirch me you insist on using another name.

How about answering my question instead of evading it with insults.

BTW, coyotes WERE introduced to GA in the 60s, by fox hunters who wanted another quarry for their dogs to chase.

Get with the program. I don't claim to ignore you anymore. Haven't for quite some time. I actually came to miss the laughs you provide. Like Wiley Coyote, who tries and tries but always fails..

Oh bullshit. They their range expansion is well documented.

And Stanli, I will never become as good as you when it comes to tossing insults.

Now, what question did I evade?

What question did you evade? The one about grouse existing before coyotes were around. That one.

You will have to parse the answer out from that first paragraph in my previous post. It's a complicated reading, I know.

In the meantime, take a look at the range maps of the two species. I know you're very concerned with ed's opinion on this matter.

As I suspected, no reasonable response.

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Well, thanks for looking. Now that you have taken me off ignore, should I expect more of your delightfully insulting personal messages?

Not a lot of people in northern Ontario. Very few coyotes either. But a hell of a lot of grouse.

What was that about every grouse stronghold has a healthy coyote population??? What horseshit!

For context, the area I am talking about is significantly bigger than Texas and twice the size of California. 740,000 people of which 500,000 are located in 6 urban areas.