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It’s hard to tell from the single picture, but, the grain of the wood at the break seems to snake up and then down right in the wrist. Maybe it would have been just fine if the gun had never doubled, or, maybe it would have been fine if the grain ran dead straight at 90 degrees to the angle of the back of the action.

What kind of gun is it? Is there a chance of simply replacing the broken stock out of the parts department? I did that once, on my brothers Savage model BSE, long after the guns were out of production. He then broke that stock, but, I glued it up and got truly lucky, as the repair is invisible, to this day.

Best of luck with that.

Ted

Longshot powder I know from experience has been a contributing factor in stock breakage over the last 15 years. You can feel the recoil with longshot. Sure, it gives high velocity but that comes with a price.

It is a 28 bore by a well known Italian manufacturer. The model is still made and I have contacted the company to see if they can provide a replacement stock that can be fitted to the receiver. Thanks for the suggestion.

That is an interesting statement. I use Longshot for 32, 28, 24 and 16 reloads. Do you have any further details on its role in stock breakage that you can share, please?

The "sooty trigger finger" is also an indicator of gas venting. I believe gas venting caused the break and the line (s) of the break follows the grain. As always, I can be wrong.
Mike

That break looks exactly like what happened on my RBL 12ga. I was using reloads with Cheddite primers. I had noticed that these primers were prone to piercing but didn't think much of it since I never had any negative misshapes from previous pierced primers of any make. At the shot I heard a pop on the right side of my face and saw something fly. The pierce primer dumped enough gas into the box lock stock space to blow the check of the stock off. Certain guns are prone to piercing primers and certain primers are prone to piercing. When the two meet up things can happen. I am careful what I use Cheddites in now. After unsuccessfully trying to glue the check back on, I did a butt transplant. I preserved the nice piece of walnut CSMC put on the gun and have an improved checkering pattern to hide the seem.

I wish the OP would tell us more about the reloads he was shooting & add some pictures of the spent shell cases including the primers and type of primer used. I suspect this break was caused by chamber gases building up in the stock in letting cavity most likely caused by a pierced primer.

I have recently experienced pierced Cheddite primers with two different loads in two different gauges with the most recent just yesterday shooting sporting clays. In both cases I was shooting almost new O/U target guns & didn't have any damage other than some light pitting on the firing pin nose caused by the hot gases escaping from the pierced hole in the primer. On the first gun I experienced this; I was able to pull the firing pin and polish out the defect. I then changed over to Winchester 209 primers in the same load and have not had a pierced primer since in the same gun, with the same loading, just different primers.

After yesterday's experience I had to do the same thing to the nose of the firing pin on this gun and will be changing that loading over to W-209 primers as well. This seems to be a fairly common issue with cheddite primers in some guns. When I was trying to figure out what was going on with the first gun, I went to the shotgun world website and did a search for pierced primers and found several threads with dozens of posts about pierced Cheddite primers. Most of these had a commonality of being shot in a wide range of different manufacture's guns but most were O/U's having this occur on the bottom barrel, which has been my experience as well.

The head scratcher for me has been. Why the inconsistency in having this happen? Between me & my buddies, we've shot thousands of cheddite primers and I'm the only one who's experienced this and then not on every round when this has happened. Even yesterday when this was happening in my 20ga, it was probably only on maybe seven out of one hundred rounds shot and it occurred in both barrels, not just the bottom like I experienced in my 12ga. All I know is its W-209 primers from now on going forward. Now I'll see if it's the gun or the primers being the culprit.

Seven out of 100? Pierced primers or broken stocks? Please explain.

Pierced primers Bill!

I didn't say anything about having a broken stock when I experienced pierced cheddite primers.

I've heard a lot of people mention that their firing pins get pitted from pierce primers. They claim it is from the high pressure gas blasting thru the pierced hole. I don't think shotgun pressures are high enough to do this. I believe that the pitted firing pin is pitted because the anvil inside the battery cup is too long and comes right to a sharp point. Your firring pin is coming down right on that point which is why it is getting pierced. Also, the anvil may be harder in Cheddites. I don't have any proof of this though, it is just my educated opinion. I've given this issue sum thought because of the issues I have had with these primers. Before I ever used Cheddites a friend of mine casually mentioned how sensitive they are. He has a Browning A5 that doubles on shells loaded with Cheddites and no others will do that. I had a Cheddite go off in my Ponsness Warren loader, the only make ever to do so. Like Dogon, I'm a fan of the W209. I NEVER had any problems with them and have used them the most in my reloads. Rem 209's are good but more expensive. Out of American primers I've seen the most misfires in Federal 209's. I think the rounded surface on the Federal cap may cause this or the cup is just seated too deep. Some of my Trap friends swear by them and have no issues with them at all. Fiocchi primers have been good for me, but it is my least used primer behind Cheddites. I swore off Cheddites after my RBL mishap, but it is hard not to like them when that is all that is available like during the last primer famine. That famine has not fully subsided yet and Cheddites are generally a cheap buy. Any that remain in my inventory will be used in a Remington 1100 where gas can leak out and cause no issues.