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here is a theory...
  around 1885, H&R decided to end production...
  and gave up exclusive right to u.s. market...
  Schaefer, another licensee bought h&r's parts stock...
  including action #25...
  Schaefer sourced unproofed and unjoined barrels from Belgian supplier...
  Schaefer joined and fit barrels to actions in his shop...
  and produced a few finished guns...
  then he too gave it up...
  because H&R's exclusive agreement with Westley Richards had expired, thus opening up u.s market to other licensees...
  plus, by the late 1880's, big players like Parker and Lefever came out with their own boxlock designs... 
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