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Is there a noticeable difference in felt recoil compared to 20? Not for me, there's not. And (but), I do not shoot 3/4 oz. loads in any gauge but .410 and 28. I shoot 7/8 oz. in 20 gauge with the exception of my Fox Sterlingworth Ejector 20 which is regulated for 1 oz. loads, and that is all it gets fed. I only shoot 1 oz. in my 16s. 12s and 10s get to do the "heavy lifting". However, recoil is not an issue for me unless it gets severe enough that it affects my ability to deliver a well aimed second shot quickly. And, I have found that to be more related to stock configurations and weight, than payload. Another however, I keep all my loads as near 1150-1165 fps as possible. I have found zero benefit from higher velocity with the only exception being steel shot for waterfowl, which I rarely use anymore. Looking forward to us maybe being able to shoot .410s some when you venture South this winter, Jeff.
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I tried using smaller gauge shotguns and went back to the 12ga and adjust my loads to what I want. I have sxs 12s as light as 5 lb 15 oz and I have loads as light as 11/16 oz for my 12s and more st a f my sxs have plastic or steel butt plates. I still have a couple 16s but they weight the same as my 12s and shoot the same weight loads.
After the first shot the rest are just noise.
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.410, 3" - 11/16 oz @ 1135 fps/ 5.5# gun = 10.5 foot/pounds recoil force
28 Gauge, 2.75" - 3/4 oz @ 1200 fps / 6.0# = 12.8
20 Gauge, 2.75" - 7/8 oz @ 1200 fps / 6.5# = 16.1
20 Gauge, 2.75" - 1 oz @ 1220 fps / 6.5# = 21.0
16 Gauge, 2.75" - 1 oz @ 1220 fps / 7.0# = 21.5
12 Gauge, 2.75" - 1 1/8 oz @ 1200 fps / 7.5# = 23.0
12 Gauge, 2.75" - 1 1/4 oz @ 1330 fps/ 7.5# = 32.0 What is the source of this? Is it empirical data? Are there any standard deviations offered with it?
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IMHO felt recoil is impossible to quantitate - too many variables So, this appears to leave only gun fit and balance as physical variables. Personal variables are another matter.
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Obviously I was looking at the differences in the one ounce loads. Of course.Half a pound is trivial, but it suggests that perhaps the formula is curve fitted, and not a first principles formula. I will try to find time to look at the articles later, but right now, having fixed my truck, it's off to Iowa for the opener.
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never heard anybody refer to a 12 or 16 as a magic wand...
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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never heard anybody refer to a 12 or 16 as a magic wand... That's because you do not listen well.
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I tried using smaller gauge shotguns and went back to the 12ga and adjust my loads to what I want. I have sxs 12s as light as 5 lb 15 oz and I have loads as light as 11/16 oz for my 12s and more st a f my sxs have plastic or steel butt plates. I still have a couple 16s but they weight the same as my 12s and shoot the same weight loads. I have a pile of light 12s that I've gathered over the past few months to use as prize guns at our RGS Chapter events. If I were struggling with recoil issues, that's the direction I'd go. My 16 (Poli) is 6 lbs, and it's no fun for 100 clays. I'd much rather shoot my 8 lb AyA Model 53. Horses for courses, IMO. My daughter has been shooting with me off and on for a few years, and started out with a 6 lb. 20 gauge Superposed lightning...she's finally getting good enough that she's noticing the light gun with short barrels is costing her targets. I recently got her a 12 gauge Superposed Lightning with 28" barrels that tips the scales at 7.7 lbs...she can tell just by picking it up that it'll help. The added weight will help recoil too.
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