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Re: Spanish artisanal shotguns: use and misuse HistoricBore #668700 12/21/25 04:06 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 516 Likes: 33 Kyrie OP Sidelock
OP Kyrie Sidelock Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 516 Likes: 33	Originally Posted by HistoricBore A very useful summary! My 'Habicht' 12 bore boxlock non-ejector was made (maker unknown) with sling swivels and a big cheekpiece for the Austrian market in 1964. It has a Greener crossbolt and a bit of basic engraving. The 27.5" barrels weigh 1350 grams, with a total weight of only 6 lbs 12 oz. Chokes were Modified and Full, now opened out by me somewhat. The stock is completely straight, like a rifle, with no cast, which explains why I hit so little with it in my earlier years. HB HB, I've had a couple of very similar shotguns and found them to be outstandingly useful guns. Guessing purely on the known characteristics I'd be tempted to place your gun at the low end of the medium game gun part of the continuum of shotguns. Thank you for sharing.

Re: Spanish artisanal shotguns: use and misuse Kyrie #668703 12/21/25 04:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 443 Likes: 17 Further Up North, WI Geoff Roznak Sidelock
Geoff Roznak Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 443 Likes: 17 Further Up North, WI	Originally Posted by Kyrie Geoff, Great post and wonderful pictures of an outstanding, and ambiguous, shotgun. The engraving suggests a model 53, but its physical characteristics suggest a model 56 (and a place at the top end of the pigeon gun range). Whatever model in may be, it's a magnificent shotgun. It's a Model 53. I bought it from the original owner and have the paperwork stashed around here somewhere.

Re: Spanish artisanal shotguns: use and misuse Kyrie #668721 12/21/25 10:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,863 Likes: 1472 mpls, mn. Ted Schefelbein Sidelock
Ted Schefelbein Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,863 Likes: 1472 mpls, mn.	Kyrie, Photo attached, the barrel weight is stamped as 1370 gms, and they are 27 3/4” or, about 75cm. The original chokes were modified and full, I let them out years ago, as most of the rainy day birds I shoot at are grouse. Total gun weight is 6.6lbs, it gained a bit of weight, .1lb, when it got a new recoil pad. 14 5/16 ths LOP, which, is OK when I have heavier clothes on. In a T-shirt, 14 1/2- 14 3/4” is better. It truly has never occurred to me to use a 3” round in it. Truly. Best, Ted

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