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Yeah, it is sort of difficult to keep your hand on straight as to who was crossing swords w/ whom in the Vierordt & Compagnie saga/soap-opera. Luchsgewehrfabrik was the name of the weapons factory in Suhl, although the subject drilling was completed & passed thru the Zella-Mehlis Proof Facility. Christoph Sturm, who hung out his Gunmaking Shingle in 1849, was said to have been doing the heavy lifting for Vierordt & Compagnie and interesting enough in 1913 that both were @ the same address @ Judithstraße 3(Judithstraße 5 since 1910). Proprietors @ the time were Heinrich & Maria/Marie till 1916 when all the Patriarchs passed, partnership of Paul and Heinrich was dissolved & widow Maria continued the business with Businessman Paul Sturm. It moved to Bad Kissingen and the name was struck from the Suhl Register. It is stated that Christoph Sturm, and I assume the concern, developed the subject dreiling and what I call the >>Vierordt Drilling<< but possibly it should be referred to as the Luchs-Drilling, per Christoph Sturm who developed it and looks to have manufactured it or sourced gestecks, parts kits, and had the platforms cobbled together as Best he could.

Anyway, @ time the managing director of the Vierordt & Compagnie Concern was Friedrich Stendebach and sometime 1909 there was the concern Vierordt, Stendebach & Cie.

So we have Gustav Kersten, Friedrich Stendebach, Christoph Sturm and the Vierordt & Compagnie..... I will dig a bit more and get all this sorted.



Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

This is interesting! I have a Vierordt double rifle on the Kersten action. I can't remember what the original chambering was but it's been re-cut for basically the 8 X 65R Brenneke...and not very well done but my gunsmith was able to clean it up and it's fine now. I was able to find a load that regulated. It is a .318 groove diameter.

In the thread you 1st mentioned a T&S in 9,3 X 75R Nimrod; then when you picked up the Vierordt you noted the chamber was 8 X 65R Brenneke?



Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

The following Vierordt & Compagnie „MARKE LUCHS“ Dreiling was out of the Tom Dever's Collection, so I wonder if he dispersed his collection or expired¿¿ He was a GGCA Past President. It is chambered in 16-70 X 8X57IR in 70 cm tubes wearing a Proof Date of January 1925.






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I guess what is needed to be done is define / distinguish the platform of the Vierordt & Compagnie „Marke Luchs” Dreiling or determine if there were multiple Platforms¿

The Subject Dreiling has frame extension whereas the above Marke Luchs Dreiling has barrel extensions.

Then the question begs as to how Burgsmuller got in the mix¿ Did he make a Lot Purchase during a period of Vierordt & Compagnie turmoil¿

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

And then there's the Rolling Block Version.....


>>VIERORDT & CIE. KEHL - STRASSBURG
AN UNUSUAL AND SCARCE 9.3x74R / 16-BORE 'MARKE LUCHS' ROLLING-BLOCK COMBINATION GUN / RIFLE, serial no. 16103,
circa 1910, 27 1/2in. (70cm) nitro barrels (some dents and rivels), broad engine-turned matt rib, bead fore-sight, open rear sight with one folding leaf, the breech end engraved 'VIERORDT & CIE. KEHL - STRASSBURG.', the tubes engraved 'MARKE LUCHS', 2 1/2in. shot chamber, bored approx. full choke, rolling-block action incorporating Gustav Kerstens patent no. 141334 of June 4th 1903, engraved to the rear of the breech block 'GUSTAV KERSTENS VERSCHLUSS D.R. PAT. NO. 141334.', manual side safety, push-forward underlever, front set trigger, border and Germanic scroll engraving, 13 3/4in. pistolgrip stock (cracked with pins and insert repairs at hand) with cheekpiece, pistolgrip-cap, sling swivels, sprung bullet compartment and steel buttplate, permanently attached fore-end with Deeley & Edge release catch, weight 8lb. 4oz.<<


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Carcano,
While it still does not look like a bushed firing pin (to me), which would likely be better fit, I can concede that it is possible. Conversion of "hound's tooth" strikers to gas tight bushed firing pins was a common cause of having to install bushings. I admit I haven't seen everything, but I think it would be difficult to fit a hound's tooth striker into a drilling for the rifle barrel, as opposed to the rifle barrel of a BF. Since neither of us has first-hand knowledge of what happened, your guess is as good as mine.
Mike

That was my first post in this thread. I had a Thieme & Schlegelmilch drilling in 9.3 X 75R Nimrod but sold it to my gunsmith. I picked up the Vierordt 2 or 3 years ago and yes, it's been re-chambered to 8 X 65R Brenneke.

Could you pleasure us with some fotos of the proofmarks?

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

If I could post on this board and, if I had any pictures I would be more than happy to. I have a couple pictures to take as soon as another project is finished and I'll try to take some of the proofs. I'm not very confident as my photography skills are abysmal.

Just forward any & all images to me & I will gladly post them.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse